Linear superposition. Measurments.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of linear superposition in quantum physics, specifically addressing the representation of quantum states and the interpretation of probabilities associated with measurements. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of quantum states and the implications of Born's rule in the context of measurements.

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  • One participant questions why the probability to measure a specific state ##\psi_m(x)## is given by ##|C_m|^2##, referencing the mathematical formulation of quantum states.
  • Another participant provides a link to Born's rule, suggesting it as a relevant resource for understanding the probabilities in quantum mechanics.
  • A different participant elaborates on the representation of the state ##|\psi\rangle## as an integral over position states, explaining the inner product relationship between quantum states and basis vectors.
  • This participant also discusses how the coefficients ##C_k## can be expressed in terms of position basis states, reinforcing the connection between different bases in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the origins of Born's rule, suggesting that its derivation is not fully understood and relates it to classical fields and particle behavior in experimental setups like the double slit experiment.
  • This participant connects the probability of measuring particles at a point on a screen to the intensity of electromagnetic fields, indicating a relationship between quantum measurements and classical physics concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation and origins of Born's rule, with some accepting its application while others question its foundational basis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the certainty of these interpretations and the derivation of the rule.

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Participants highlight the dependence on mathematical formulations and the potential limitations in understanding the origins of Born's rule. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity in relating quantum measurements to classical field theories.

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If in quantum physics some state is represented by
## \psi(x)=\sum_{k}C_k\psi_k(x)##
##C_m=\int \psi(x)\psi_m(x)dx##
Why probability to measure ##\psi_m(x)## is ##|C_m|^2##?
 
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We can actually express [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] as a sum (integral) over all the position states:
[itex]|\psi\rangle = \int dx |x\rangle\langle x|\psi\rangle = \int dx |x\rangle \psi(x)[/itex]

[itex]\psi(x) = \langle x|\psi\rangle[/itex] is the component of [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex] that overlaps with the position basis vector [itex]|x\rangle[/itex].
It's an inner product, like with ordinary vectors. If you want to find the y-component of a vector [itex]\vec{v}[/itex], you take its inner product with the basis vector in the y-direction [itex]v_{y} = \vec{v}\cdot \hat{y}[/itex].


We can also express these components [itex]\langle x|\psi\rangle[/itex] in other bases too. If we have some other (discrete) basis of states [itex]|k\rangle[/itex], we can express [itex]\langle x|\psi\rangle[/itex] as:

[itex]\langle x|\psi\rangle = \sum_{k}\langle x|k\rangle\langle k|\psi\rangle = \sum_{k} \psi_{k}(x) C_{k}[/itex]
where
[itex]C_{k} = \langle k|\psi\rangle[/itex]

On the other hand, we can also represent [itex]C_{k}[/itex] in terms of the position basis states [itex]|x\rangle[/itex], so that
[itex]C_{k} = \int dx\; \langle k|x\rangle\langle x|\psi\rangle = \int dx\; \psi_{k}^{*}(x)\psi(x)[/itex]

The probability to measure [itex]\psi_{m}(x)[/itex] is better thought of as just the probability of measuring [itex]k=m[/itex]. This probability is just [itex]|\langle m|\psi\rangle|^{2} = |C_{m}|^{2}[/itex].
 
LagrangeEuler said:
If in quantum physics some state is represented by
## \psi(x)=\sum_{k}C_k\psi_k(x)##
##C_m=\int \psi(x)\psi_m(x)dx##
Why probability to measure ##\psi_m(x)## is ##|C_m|^2##?

I think that nobody knows from where Born rule comes. But we see how it goes to classical fields.
When a monochromatic source of particles is in front of a double slit particles hit the screen at a point x with probability p(x) and give it an energy e.
When there is a flux of particles this turns to be the intensity on the screen. For exemple with the electromagnetic field the density of intensity is E² + B²
 
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