Linear System with Two Variables

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of two linear equations involving two variables, specifically the equations 1.7x + 2.3y = 3.5 and 2.8x + 3.2y = -9.5. Participants express their challenges with the calculations involved in finding the solution without using the quadratic formula.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various attempts at manipulating the equations, such as subtracting one equation from another and substituting variables. There is a mention of frustration with the complexity of the calculations and the potential for mistakes in manipulation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on continuing with the substitution method, while others reflect on their own misunderstandings or mistakes. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of avoiding the quadratic formula, which seems to be a point of confusion for some participants. Additionally, the discussion touches on the emotional responses to the perceived difficulty of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Solve:

(A) 1.7x + 2.3y = 3.5

(B) 2.8x + 3.2y = -9.5


Homework Equations



Without using quadratic formula.

The Attempt at a Solution



I hate to admit it but I am having trouble with this. Seems to lead to monstrous calculations.

I tried subtracting B/4 from A to get x + 3.1 y = 5.875.

Also, substituting letters for numbers.

Is there something I'm missing or is this just a very tedious calculation?
 
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Atomised said:

Homework Statement



Solve:

(A) 1.7x + 2.3y = 3.5

(B) 2.8x + 3.2y = -9.5


Homework Equations



Without using quadratic formula.

The Attempt at a Solution



I hate to admit it but I am having trouble with this. Seems to lead to monstrous calculations.

I tried subtracting B/4 from A to get x + 3.1 y = 5.875.

Also, substituting letters for numbers.

Is there something I'm missing or is this just a very tedious calculation?

You have made a start; now just keep going. You have x = 5.875 - 3.1 y, so now wherever you see x you can substitute in that above expression. That will give you an equation involving y alone. That will then be easy to solve. OK: it is messy and takes time, but welcome to equation solving.
 
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Thanks - I realize I made a stupid mistake which unnecessarily complicated things.
 
Why would you think the quadratic formula would be used in solving simultaneous equations?
 
My cack-handed manipulations resulted in x's on LHS and reciprocal y's on RHS. Thanks for your all help - it is a tremendous resource.
 
By the way, where did you get the word "Dysfunction"? Is that a translation from another language?
 
Just means pathological. Greek in origin. I have proven that the problem I am currently working on is non-understandable at x_n, for all n.
 
It's not really a complicated problem ("monstrous calculations" is really hyperbole). It's just a system of two linear equations, which is about the simplest possible system you could be given. Each of the equations represents a line, and the solution of the system is the point at which the lines intersect. A very cursory inspection of the two equations is enough to say that there is a unique solution to the system.
 
Easy in principle. I was frustrated by my apparent inability to juggle six figure decimals (even with HP42S to help, me the world's best calculator). I have proven that the problem I am currently working on is non-understandable at x_n, for all n.
 
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Atomised said:
Easy in principle. I was frustrated by my apparent inability to juggle six figure decimals (even with HP42S to help, me the world's best calculator).


I have proven that the problem I am currently working on is non-understandable at x_n, for all n.
You have proven that you write things that you don't understand...
 
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What does "non-understandable" mean? You may want to post the entire problem, because your proof already sounds a little misconstrued.
 
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Mentallic said:
What does "non-understandable" mean? You may want to post the entire problem, because your proof already sounds a little misconstrued.
It's not a proof - the exercise is just to find the solution of a system of two linear equations.

The "non-understandable" bit is just the OP being dramatic, IMO.
 
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The 'non-understandable' was just the supposedly witty signature comment set on my PF app. Now removed.
 

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