Linear transformation between bases

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The discussion revolves around finding the matrix representation of a linear transformation defined by a matrix A, specifically when changing bases in vector spaces. The participants explore the implications of different bases on the representation of the transformation, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of linear algebra.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the notation and multiple meanings of the matrix A in the context of linear transformations.
  • Another participant affirms that matrices can have different representations in different bases, similar to vectors.
  • A detailed method is provided for finding the matrix representation of A from one basis to another, including applying the transformation to basis vectors and expressing results as linear combinations of the target basis vectors.
  • A correction is made regarding a typo in the coefficients of the resulting matrix representation, clarifying the correct values.

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Participants generally agree on the method for finding the matrix representation of a linear transformation, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial calculations or interpretations of the matrix A.

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The discussion includes potential confusion over notation and the implications of different bases, which may affect the understanding of the transformation's representation.

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Hi !

I am a little bit confused with notation in the following:

Let A=

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2 & 3 & 4 \\<br /> 8 & 5 & 1 \\<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex]

and consider A as a linear transformation mapping [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] to [tex]\mathbb{R}^2[/tex]. Find the matix representation of A with respect to the bases

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1\\<br /> 1\\<br /> 0\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} ,[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 0\\<br /> 1\\<br /> 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} ,[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1\\<br /> 0\\<br /> 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] and

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 3\\<br /> 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} ,[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\<br /> 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex] of [tex]\mathbb{R}^2[/tex]

It seems to be a lot of A´s in here with different meanings, and I suppose it is what confuses me :(. Anyway I solved it as follows:

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 3 & 2\\<br /> 1 & 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}^{-1} *[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2 & 3 & 4\\<br /> 8 & 5 & 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} *[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> 1 & 0 & 1\\<br /> 1 & 1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & 1\\<br /> \end{bmatrix} =[/tex] [tex]\begin{bmatrix}<br /> -21 & -5 & -12\\<br /> 34 & 11 & 21\\<br /> \end{bmatrix}[/tex]
I am still not sure that I have not confused myself with all the different A´s :( Am I on the right track or completely lost ?
 
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I think you are right but no guarantees. Just as a vector has different representations (components) in different bases, a matrix has different representations in different bases.
 
In general, to find the matrix representation of A, from U to V, with [itex]\{u_1, u_2, ..., u_n\}[/itex] a basis for U and [itex]\{v_1, v_2, ..., v_m\}[/itex] a basis for V:

Apply A to each of [itex]\{u_1, u_2, ..., u_n\}[/itex] in turn and write the result as a linear combination of the [itex]\{v_1, v_2, ..., v_m\}[/itex]. The coefficients form the columns of the matrix.

for example, here
[tex]u_1= \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
so
[tex]Au_1= \begin{bmatrix}2 & 3 & 4 \\8 & 5 & 1 \\\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 1 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}5 \\ 13\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

Now, [5, 13]= a[3, 1]+ b[2, 1] gives 3a+ 2b= 5 and a+ b= 13. Multiplying the second equation by 2, 2a+ 2b= 26 and, subtracting that from the first equation a= -21. -21+ b= 13 gives b= 34. The first column of the matrix you want is
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}-21 \\ 34\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 
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Thx for the replies. Thank you for a very clear and good explanation (HallsofIvy), the book I am reading is very compact and does not give very good explanations. There was a typo in the end of your reply:

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}-21 \\ 13\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

should be

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}-21 \\ 34\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 
gothlev said:
Thx for the replies. Thank you for a very clear and good explanation (HallsofIvy), the book I am reading is very compact and does not give very good explanations. There was a typo in the end of your reply:

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}-21 \\ 13\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

should be

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}-21 \\ 34\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
Right! Thanks.

No, I'll go back and edit my post so I can claim I never made that silly mistake!
 

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