Lipschitz Condition: Does $f(t,y)$ Satisfy? Find Constant

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The discussion revolves around whether the function $f(t,y) = \frac{|y|}{t}$ satisfies the Lipschitz condition with respect to $y$, uniformly for $t$ in the interval $[-1,1]$. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the definitions involved in the Lipschitz condition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that $f$ satisfies the Lipschitz condition and suggests that the Lipschitz constant is equal to 1 based on their calculations.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the initial calculations, stating that the inequalities presented are incorrect.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the claim that the inequalities are incorrect and provides an alternative calculation that leads to the conclusion that $f(t,y)$ does not satisfy the Lipschitz condition as $t \to 0$ approaches infinity.
  • Some participants note that the conclusion drawn may be incorrect without specifying the term "uniformly" in relation to the Lipschitz condition.
  • There is a discussion about whether the limit approaching infinity occurs uniformly for any $y_1, y_2 \in \mathbb{R}$ as $t \to 0$.
  • Another participant clarifies that the problem is about the uniform Lipschitz property and asserts that for each particular $t \neq 0$, the function $f(t,y)$ is Lipschitz.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial claims and calculations. There is no consensus on whether the function satisfies the Lipschitz condition uniformly across the specified range of $t$.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between uniform Lipschitz conditions and the behavior of the function as $t$ approaches 0. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of uniformity in the context of Lipschitz conditions.

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Hello! (Wave)

Does the following $f(t,y)$ satisfy the Lipschitz condition as for $y$, uniformly as for $t$? If so, find the Lipschitz constant.

$$f(t,y)=\frac{|y|}{t}, t \in [-1,1]$$

I have tried the following:

$$\frac{|f(t,y_1)-f(t,y_2)|}{|y_1-y_2|}=\frac{|y_1|-|y_2|}{t|y_1-y_2|} \leq - \frac{|y_1|-|y_2|}{|y_1-y_2|}= \frac{|y_2|-|y_1|}{|y_1-y_2|} \leq \frac{|y_1-y_2|}{|y_1-y_2|}=1$$

Thus $f$ satisfies the Lipschitz condition and the Lipschitz constant is equal to $1$.

Is it right? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
$$\frac{|f(t,y_1)-f(t,y_2)|}{|y_1-y_2|}=\frac{|y_1|-|y_2|}{t|y_1-y_2|} \leq - \frac{|y_1|-|y_2|}{|y_1-y_2|}$$
These equality and inequality are incorrect.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
These equality and inequality are incorrect.

Is it right now?

$\frac{|f(t,y_1)-f(t,y_2)|}{|y_1-y_2|}= \frac{|\frac{|y_1|}{t}-\frac{ |y_2|}{t} |}{|y_1-y_2|}= \frac{||y_1|-|y_2||}{|t| |y_1-y_2|} \leq \frac{|y_1-y_2|}{|t| |y_1-y_2|}=\frac{1}{|t|} \overset{t \to 0}{\to } +\infty$

So we deduce that $f(t,y)$ doesn't satisfy the Lipschitz condition.
 
The formulas are correct, but the conclusion is incorrect without the word "uniformly".
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
The formulas are correct, but the conclusion is incorrect without the word "uniformly".

So do we want to prove that the $\frac{|f(t,y_1)-f(t,y_2)|}{|y_1-y_2|}$ converges uniformly to $+\infty$, i.e. for any $t$ we pick?
But doesn't it only happen for $t \to 0$? Or am I wrong?

Or did you mean with uniformly that the limit is $+\infty$ for any $y_1, y_2 \in \mathbb{R}$ and for $t \to 0$?
 
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This problem does not require talking about convergence, especially uniform convergence. It is about uniform Lipschitz property. For each particular $t\ne0$ the function $f(t,y)$ is Lipschitz.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
This problem does not require talking about convergence, especially uniform convergence. It is about uniform Lipschitz property. For each particular $t\ne0$ the function $f(t,y)$ is Lipschitz.

Ah I see... Thanks a lot! (Smile)
 

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