Lithium is the 3rd most common element in the universe

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The discussion centers around the claim made by Elon Musk regarding lithium being the third most common element in the universe. Participants are exploring the accuracy of this statement, particularly in relation to its abundance in different contexts such as the universe, the solar system, and Earth's crust.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of Musk's claim, noting that lithium does not appear in the top ten most abundant elements in the universe according to various sources.
  • Another participant asserts that oxygen is the third most abundant element and carbon is fourth, at least within our galaxy, suggesting that lithium's ranking has changed since the early universe.
  • Some participants highlight the distinction between different contexts of abundance, such as the Earth's crust versus the overall abundance in the universe.
  • There is a mention that lithium was indeed the third most abundant element shortly after the big bang, but its status has changed due to stellar processes creating heavier elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the accuracy of Musk's statement, with multiple competing views on lithium's abundance in various contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific ranking of lithium.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the abundance of elements can vary significantly depending on the context (e.g., Earth's crust, overall Earth, solar system, and the universe), which complicates the assessment of Musk's claim.

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I was watching a video on Elon Musk. I believe he is a smart guy and he certainly knows is stuff. However, he said something in this video which I was surprised about and I can't seem to corroborate with various Google searching. Someone asked him whether there was enough Lithium on Earth to fulfil all the battery requirements for the Tesla cars he intends to ramp up to. He then said that Lithium was the 3rd most common element in the universe:

It doesn't appear in the 10 ten here: http://education.jlab.org/glossary/abund_uni.html
Not in the top 5 here: http://random-facts.top5.com/the-top-5-most-abundant-elements-in-the-(known)-universe

So I just wanted to understand, is he incorrect or is there no clear cut answer?

TIA
 
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I don't want to search the whole video for that statement, but this looks wrong. Oxygen is the third most abundant element, carbon is fourth - at least within our galaxy, and other galaxies shouldn't be too different.

Lithium was #3 shortly after the big bang, before stars produced the heavier elements.
 
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mfb said:
I don't want to search the whole video for that statement, but this looks wrong. Oxygen is the third most abundant element, carbon is fourth - at least within our galaxy, and other galaxies shouldn't be too different.

Lithium was #3 shortly after the big bang, before stars produced the heavier elements.
Sorry, I added a YouTube link which was set to the specific time but it got converted to an embedded YouTube link which started from the beginning. Anyway, the reference is at 2 hours 59 minute mark.
 
Well, the #3 comment looks wrong. The other things are true: there is a huge amount of lithium around.
 
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The abundance in the crust, the abundance on Earth overall, the abundance in the solar system and the overall abundance are different things. The Earth overall tends to accumulate heavy elements, the crust tends to accumulate intermediate elements.
 
mfb said:
The abundance in the crust, the abundance on Earth overall, the abundance in the solar system and the overall abundance are different things. The Earth overall tends to accumulate heavy elements, the crust tends to accumulate intermediate elements.

In all those different places (or some you may not have mentioned), does Lithium appear #3 in any of them? E.g. did Elon say universe mistakenly when he meant crust?
 
I don't see where it would be number 3. Certainly not in the places I mentioned.

Lithium was the third most abundant element from a few minutes after the big bang to something like hundreds of millions of years after the big bang, not sure where exactly the end was.
 

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