8 Traits Successful People Have In Common" with Richard St John

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The discussion revolves around Richard St John's TED talk and his book outlining "The 8 Traits Successful People Have In Common." Participants critique the validity and originality of St John's findings, questioning the methodology and implications of his research on success.

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  • One participant expresses skepticism about the validity of St John's research, noting the lack of a control group to compare successful individuals with those who share similar traits but are not deemed successful.
  • Another participant remarks that the traits identified by St John, such as passion and focus, are not groundbreaking and are commonly understood as necessary for success.
  • A third participant sarcastically questions the necessity of having ideas for success, implying that this insight is overly simplistic.
  • One participant concludes that St John wasted a significant amount of time on his research, suggesting a lack of value in his findings.

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Participants generally express disagreement with St John's conclusions and methodology, indicating a lack of consensus on the value of his traits for success.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in St John's approach, including the absence of a control group and the simplicity of the traits identified, which may not account for the complexities of success.

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Someone recently sent me a TED video of Richard St John where he outlines the ideas in his book where he supposedly:

spent ten years researching success and doing face-to-face interviews with Bill Gates, Martha Stewart, Richard Branson, the Google founders, and over 500 other extraordinarily successful people.

He analyzed every word they said, built one of the world’s largest, most organized databases on success, and finally discovered “The 8 Traits Successful People Have In Common.”

These “8 To Be Great” are the foundation for success in anything, whether it's business, science, sports, healthcare, arts, or life.
www.richardstjohn.com/these 8 traits are passion, focus, ideas, improve, push (whatever that is) etc - nothing Earth shattering.

So this guy interviews all these successful people and distills it down to eight (not six or ten) traits essential for success. Where is his control group? St. John never went and interviewed the 100s or 1000s of people with all the same traits as Bill Gates or Sergey Brin that are not "successes" - its an elementary fallacy of composition.

What's funny is that these charlatans have been around along time. GK Chesterton wrote about them 100 years ago:

There has appeared in our time a particular class of books and articles which I sincerely and solemnly think may be called the silliest ever known among men. They are much more wild than the wildest romances of chivalry and much more dull than the dullest religious tract. Moreover, the romances of chivalry were at least about chivalry; the religious tracts are about religion. But these things are about nothing; they are about what is called Success. On every bookstall, in every magazine, you may find works telling people how to succeed. They are books showing men how to succeed in everything; they are written by men who cannot even succeed in writing books. To begin with, of course, there is no such thing as Success. Or, if you like to put it so, there is nothing that is not successful. That a thing is successful merely means that it is; a millionaire is successful in being a millionaire and a donkey in being a donkey. Any live man has succeeded in living; any dead man may have succeeded in committing suicide. But, passing over the bad logic and bad philosophy in the phrase, we may take it, as these writers do, in the ordinary sense of success in obtaining money or worldly position. These writers profess to tell the ordinary man how he may succeed in his trade or speculation--how, if he is a builder, he may succeed as a builder; how, if he is a stockbroker, he may succeed as a stockbroker. They profess to show him how, if he is a grocer, he may become a sporting yachtsman; how, if he is a tenth-rate journalist, he may become a peer; and how, if he is a German Jew, he may become an Anglo-Saxon. This is a definite and business-like proposal, and I really think that the people who buy these books (if any people do buy them) have a moral, if not a legal, right to ask for their money back. Nobody would dare to publish a book about electricity which literally told one nothing about electricity; no one would dare to publish an article on botany which showed that the writer did not know which end of a plant grew in the earth. Yet our modern world is full of books about Success and successful people which literally contain no kind of idea, and scarcely any kind of verbal sense.

It is perfectly obvious that in any decent occupation (such as bricklaying or writing books) there are only two ways (in any special sense) of succeeding. One is by doing very good work, the other is by cheating. Both are much too simple to require any literary explanation
http://www.classicreader.com/book/2281/3/

He also has a great quote about the "horrible mysticism of money", i.e. the idea that there is some secret mojo to getting rich that the guru can teach you
 
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these 8 traits are passion, focus, ideas, improve, push (whatever that is) etc - nothing Earth shattering.

So this guy interviews all these successful people and distills it down to eight (not six or ten) traits essential for success. Where is his control group? St. John never went and interviewed the 100s or 1000s of people with all the same traits as Bill Gates or Sergey Brin that are not "successes" - its an elementary fallacy of composition.

Wait... wait... wait... hold it...

You need ideas to be successful? I mean, it makes sense... I just... I had no idea!

[PLAIN]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/46928/1413875-badum_tish_super.jpg
 
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these 8 traits are passion, focus, ideas, improve, push (whatever that is) etc - nothing Earth shattering.

Nothing new... I mean, who doesn't know that? To be good at something, you have to like it and make a serious effort to be good at it. Ideas? For entrepreneurship yes, but not for everything.
 
In other words, he wasted 10 years of his life.
 

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