Little issue in Relativistic Quantum Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical manipulation of Dirac spinors and projection operators in the context of relativistic quantum physics. Participants explore the validity of a specific expression involving left and right projection operators, as well as the properties of Dirac matrices.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to prove the equality $$ P_L \bar{ \psi } = \bar{ \psi } P_R $$ and provides a series of mathematical steps to support this claim.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim, stating that $$ \bar{ \psi } $$ is a row vector and must be positioned correctly in relation to matrices, implying that the expression $$ P_L \bar{ \psi } $$ is not valid.
  • A third participant suggests calculating $$ \overline{P_L \psi} $$ as a hint for further exploration, indicating that the problem may be more suited for a homework section.
  • The original poster clarifies that the calculation is for understanding a specific current expression, $$ J_L^{ \mu + } = \bar{ \psi_L } \gamma^{ \mu } \psi_L \equiv V - A $$.
  • Subsequent posts involve further calculations by the original poster, which mirror the earlier steps and lead to a similar conclusion about the relationship between the projections and the spinors.
  • Two participants later confirm the correctness of the original poster's calculations, expressing agreement without further elaboration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the validity of the initial expression involving $$ P_L \bar{ \psi } $$, with one participant asserting it is incorrect while others later confirm the correctness of the calculations presented by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference properties of Dirac matrices and the structure of spinors, but there may be underlying assumptions about the definitions and contexts of these mathematical objects that are not fully articulated.

StephvsEinst
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Hey!
I wanted to prove that:

$$ P_L \bar{ \psi } = \bar{ \psi } P_R $$

And I want to know if I did it correctly.
$$ --- $$
Here is what I did:
$$ P_L \bar{ \psi } = \frac{ ( 1 - \gamma_5 ) }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0, $$
$$ = \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 - \frac{ 1 }{2} \gamma_5 \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 $$
$$ = \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 - \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_5 \gamma_0 $$
$$ = \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 + \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 \gamma_5 $$
$$ = \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 \frac{ ( 1 + \gamma_5 ) }{2} $$
$$ = \bar { \psi } P_R. $$
$$ --- $$
Where
$$ \psi =
\left(
\begin{smallmatrix}
\psi_1 \\
\psi_2 \\
\psi_3 \\
\psi_4
\end{smallmatrix}
\right) $$

And
$$ P_L = \frac{ ( 1 - \gamma_5 ) }{2} \qquad P_R = \frac{ ( 1 + \gamma_5 ) }{2} $$

And
$$ \bar{ \psi } = \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 $$

And
$$ \gamma_0 \gamma_5 + \gamma_5 \gamma_0 = 0 $$

$$ \mbox{ Note: } \gamma_0 \mbox{ and } \gamma_5 \mbox{ are Dirac's matrices. }$$

$$ --- $$

Is there anything wrong with this?
 
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It is very wrong. ##\bar\psi## is a row vector; it must be to the left of all matrices. So ##P_L\bar\psi## is not a legal expression.
 
Hint: Calculate
$$\overline{P_L \psi}=(P_L \psi)^{\dagger} \gamma^0,$$
using the usual "Diracology" of ##\gamma## matrices. I guess it's a homework problem and should be moved to the homework section. That's why I only give this hint and not a full solution!
 
Thank you for the reply!
It isn't homework, just need to calculate that because I want to understand the following:
$$ J_L^{ \mu + } = \bar{ \psi_L } \gamma^{ \mu } \psi_L \equiv V - A $$
Thanks for the hint, I'll try to solve it that way!
 
Is this the correct way?

$$ \overline{P_L \psi } = \left[ \frac{ ( 1 - \gamma_5 ) }{2} \psi \right]^{ \dagger } \gamma_0, $$

We have

$$ ( \gamma_5 )^{ \dagger } = \gamma_5 $$

So:

$$ = \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 - \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_5 \gamma_0 \\
= \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 + \frac{ 1 }{2} \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 \gamma_5 \\
= \psi^{ \dagger } \gamma_0 \frac{ ( 1 + \gamma_5 ) }{2} \\
= \bar { \psi } P_R. $$
 
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Yes, that's correct!
 
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Avodyne said:
Yes, that's correct!

Thank you! :)
 

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