Loan financing algebra question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving for the annual percentage rate (APR) in a loan financing scenario, specifically comparing the costs of different mortgage options. Participants explore algebraic approaches and computational methods to determine the APR that would result in equal total payments over the life of the loan.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to setting up an equation to compare two loan scenarios based on different mortgage insurance costs.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation cannot be rearranged to solve for r directly and recommends using iterative methods instead.
  • A participant expresses interest in using Excel's RATE function to find the APR, indicating a lack of familiarity with this tool.
  • A later reply confirms the use of the RATE function and clarifies the need to convert APR to a monthly rate using a specific formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for iterative methods to solve for r, but there is no consensus on the best approach to take, as some focus on algebraic manipulation while others advocate for computational solutions.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of Excel functions and the interpretation of APR versus monthly interest rates, which may not be fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in loan financing, mortgage calculations, and the use of spreadsheet tools for financial analysis.

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Hey guys. Thanks for reading. I haven't done any regular algebra in a long time and feel like I am just too rusty to see something that I should be seeing. I am weighing the option of buying a house vs. renting for a year and then buying (giving me a larger down payment and a better apr on the loan).

The formula for the monthly payment for a fixed-rate house loan is given by:

(pr)/(1-(1+r)^(-n))
where p is the initial amount borrowed,
r is the monthly interest rate (apr/12)
and n is the number of payments for the loan.

What I am doing is setting the payment for a loan that I could get with apr 3.5% with a higher mortgage insurance equal to the payment for a loan with lower mortgage insurance and an undetermined value for r. Solving for r will give me the apr for the loan type with lower insurance that will result in the same amount of total payment in the long run. I am having trouble factoring r completely out of the right side of the equation to get the necessary apr. Any help is greatly appreciated!

This is the equation I have set up.

[ (p(.035/12)) / (1 - (1+.035/12)^(-360)) + 81 ] = [ (pr)/(1 - (1+r)^(-360)) ]

The trailing constant in the left term is the difference in monthly payment due to the increased mortgage insurance.

I am going to write a computer program to solve this for me, so that I can compare different total costs of houses based on the loans I qualify for rather than just comparing the market value of the property, which is why I am trying to solve for r in the general form.
 
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You cannot do this by rearranging the equation, you need to solve for r iteratively.

This functionality is built into modern spreadsheets (e.g. Excel's RATE function) which would be a better way to answer your underlying question than writing a program.
 
Oh ok. Cool. I didn't know there was a RATE function in excel. I knew about PMT, but didn't know they had others. So I could have some values that are inputs to the PMT function, and use the result of that in a RATE function to get the APR of the loan where the total payment for the entire loan would be equal, right?

Thanks for your help!
 
jelrod45 said:
Oh ok. Cool. I didn't know there was a RATE function in excel. I knew about PMT, but didn't know they had others. So I could have some values that are inputs to the PMT function, and use the result of that in a RATE function to get the APR of the loan where the total payment for the entire loan would be equal, right?

Thanks for your help!

Exactly that. Note also that to convert APR to a monthly rate you need to use the following formula: 1 + imonthly = (1 + iAPR)1/12. The formula you have used converts an annual rate of interest applied monthly, which is not the same as an APR.
 

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