Local Extrema with Partial d/dx

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The discussion revolves around finding local extrema using partial derivatives and the second derivative test in multivariable calculus. Participants are examining the critical points of a function defined by its first and second partial derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of identifying critical points from first partial derivatives and the application of the second derivative test. There is confusion regarding the correct critical point and how to apply the second derivative test when the second derivatives are constants.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of the identified critical point and clarifying the application of the second derivative test. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the second derivatives and their implications for critical points.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy in the identification of critical points, with participants suggesting that the original poster may have made a typographical error in their first partial derivative. The discussion also highlights the challenge of applying the second derivative test when dealing with constant second derivatives.

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Hello, I'm been stuck on this problem and I've been staring blankly at it way too long. I stumbled upon here and thought I'd ask for help? :P

Alright well, I'm looking for a local max/min, and I've already done the first partials and I got *f(x)=2x-y and f(y)=-x+2y+6; I'm sure those are right and the seconds partials were; f(xx)=2, f(xy)=-1, and f(yy)=2

...well, how do I use the Second derivative test on that? Where do I plug my critical point in (which I got (3/2, -6) is that right?)? Anyways, help would be great! :D

*It really means f subscript x, and so do the others, I just don't know how to use subscripts on a keyboard.
 
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Just use '_' for subscript, as in f_x=2x-y. (3/2,-6) doesn't satisfy f_x=0, does it? Why do you think that would be a critical point?
 
Oh thanks, and I simplified the f_x to y=2x-9, which I then substituted into f_y and went from f(y)=-x+2y+6 to -2x+9+4x-18+6=0, which simplifies to 2x-3=0 resulting in x=3/2. I'm more curious on how to take a second derivatives test when there are no variables to plug in a critical point, however.
 
Oglethorpe said:
Oh thanks, and I simplified the f_x to y=2x-9, which I then substituted into f_y and went from f(y)=-x+2y+6 to -2x+9+4x-18+6=0, which simplifies to 2x-3=0 resulting in x=3/2. I'm more curious on how to take a second derivatives test when there are no variables to plug in a critical point, however.

Well, x=3/2 is still wrong for a critical point, but ok, the second derivative test just gives you a constant, yes? Is it positive or negative? There's no need to plug anything in in this case.
 
Why would that be? And yes, I get

f_xx=2
f_xy=-1
f_yy=2
 
Oglethorpe said:
Why would that be? And yes, I get

f_xx=2
f_xy=-1
f_yy=2

x=3/2 is wrong as a critical point. If you can tell me what you think the corresponding y is then it should be obvious. Unless you mistyped f_y or f_x.
 
Oh! I typed f_x=2x-y when I should've typed f_x=2x-y-9
 
The point is that your second derivatives are constant functions. You do not put in the values of x and y for the critical point anywhere. [itex]f_xxf_yy- fxy^2[/itex] is just (2)(2)- 1= 3> 0.

When the second derivatives are constants, the first derivatives must be linear so there can be only one critical point anyway.
 

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