Local Geometry of General Relativity Theory

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The discussion centers on the local geometry of manifolds in the context of General Relativity (GR), specifically addressing the concept of local flatness and curvature. Participants clarify that while manifolds can appear locally Euclidean, they can still exhibit curvature, as demonstrated by the curvature tensor. It is established that the curvature tensor is coordinate-independent, meaning its properties do not rely on the chosen coordinate system. The conversation emphasizes that local flatness allows for approximating small regions as flat, despite the presence of curvature in larger contexts.

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Hello guys .
Through all the analysis of theory of general relativity we used what so called Manifolds
Manifolds as we know are topological spaces that resemble ( look like) euclidean space locally at tiny portion of space
And an euclidean space is the pair ( real coordinate space R^n , dot product ),
And any euclidean space is flat space,
So manifolds locally are flat , do not have curvature locally
But solutions of GR's equations show the manifolds are not flat locally even they are locally look like euclidean space .
My question is that if the space is curved , Then the Curvature tensor does not depend on the chosen local real coordinate space ( system ) , is it ?!

Thanks .
 
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mikeeey said:
But solutions of GR's equations show the manifolds are not flat locally even they are locally look like euclidean space.
Minkowski, not Euclidean - you can find coordinates in which the metric tensor is diagonal with components arbitrarily close to (-1,1,1,1) but not (1,1,1,1) which would be Euclidean.
The curvature tensor does not depend on the chosen local real coordinate space (system), does it?
All tensors are coordinate-independent objects - their value does not depend on the coordinate system. The values of the components of a tensor do change with the coordinate system, but that's just a result of using different coordinate systems to represent the same object - a physics problem may look very different (and be much easier or harder to solve) when it's written in one coordinate system instead of another, but it's still the same problem.
 
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My question , let's enter to 2-manifolds( surfaces ) if the surface of the shpere(e.g.) is locally look like euclidean space ( made up from gluing small planes together )that mean its curvature locally flat ! , but its not in fact
 
mikeeey said:
My question , let's enter to 2-manifolds( surfaces ) if the surface of the shpere(e.g.) is locally look like euclidean space ( made up from gluing small planes together )that mean its curvature locally flat ! , but its not in fact

That is correct. Somewhere in whatever text you're using you'll find a proper definition of what "locally flat" means. It will be something along the lines of: the difference between the metric tensor and the flat-space metric tensor can be made arbitrarily small by considering a small enough region.
 
Last question , how does the curvature tensor of the surface of the sphere is not zero and still locally flat ?! Thanks
 
mikeeey said:
Last question , how does the curvature tensor of the surface of the sphere is not zero and still locally flat ?

The curvature tensor is not zero, but a zero curvature tensor is not a requirement for local flatness. Local flatness means that a sufficiently small region can be approximated as flat, and the smaller you make the region the better the approximation is. Whatever text you're using should have a proper formal definition - keep looking until you find it and understand it.
 
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