Logic - clarification needed about implication

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the logical implication represented by P→Q, specifically addressing the truth values of the implication when P and Q take on different truth values. Participants explore the reasoning behind the truth of the implication in cases where P is false, and Q is true, as well as when both P and Q are false. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation of logical definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why P→Q is considered true when P is false and Q is true, suggesting that there seems to be insufficient information to determine the truth of the implication.
  • Another participant provides an example, stating that the implication "If it rains, the street gets wet" remains true even if the street gets wet due to other reasons, indicating that the truth of the implication does not depend solely on the truth of P.
  • A third participant argues that the definitions of logical implication are structured to ensure consistency across all combinations of truth values, asserting that P→Q must be defined as true when both P and Q are false.
  • This participant also notes that the equivalence of "P implies Q" and "if Q is false, then P is false" supports the definition of the truth table for P→Q.
  • Another participant references external sources, suggesting further reading on philosophical problems related to material conditionals and strict conditionals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of truth values in logical statements, with no consensus reached regarding the interpretation of P→Q when P is false and Q is true, or when both are false.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining logical implications and the potential philosophical implications of those definitions, with participants relying on various interpretations and examples to support their claims.

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If P→Q, and P is false but Q is true, then why is P→Q true? To me, it seems as though we shouldn't be able to do proceed because there isn't enough information. Same goes when P and Q are both false, how does that suggest P→Q is true?
 
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"If it rains, the street gets wet"
This statement is true, even if I spill water on the street (without rain).
More general: It cannot be false, if it does not rain. It just does not give any information about the street in that case.
 
Another reason for those definitions is so that logic "works" the way it should, for every combination of "true" and "false".

For example, "P implies Q" means the same (in ordinary English) as "if P is true, then Q is true", which means the same as "if Q is false, then P is false".

So the truth table for P→Q must be the same as for (not Q)→(not P),

That means P→Q must be defined as true, when P and Q are both false.

You can create a similar argument to show how P→Q must be defined with P is false and Q is true.
 

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