Looking for some intuition on a basic Algebra equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding a basic algebra equation involving the clearing of decimals. Participants explore the reasoning behind the steps taken in solving the equation and seek clarification on the application of mathematical properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the factor ##(50-x)## is not multiplied by 10 when clearing decimals in the equation $$0.3(50-x)=6$$.
  • Another participant clarifies that multiplying both factors on the left side would incorrectly change the equation, emphasizing that the distributive law does not apply in this context.
  • Several participants express their desire to understand the underlying concepts of algebra rather than just memorizing procedures, indicating a focus on developing intuition.
  • There are mentions of the importance of logical thinking in mathematics, particularly when dealing with inequalities and absolute values.
  • Participants share their experiences of returning to math after a long absence and their efforts to build foundational skills.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the reasoning behind algebraic processes, but there is no consensus on the specific application of the multiplication in the equation discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the application of mathematical properties and the implications of the distributive law in this context. There are also references to the challenges faced by learners in grasping algebraic concepts.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking to deepen their understanding of basic algebra concepts, particularly those returning to math after a break or those looking to develop their problem-solving skills.

DS2C
This isn't for math homework. I'm in self study and came across something in my book that I'm seeking clarification for.

The equation:
$$0.3\left(50-x\right)=6$$
The solution:
$$3\left(50-x\right)=60$$
$$150-3x=60$$
$$-3x=-90$$
$$x=30$$

Simple enough. My question is in regards to this:
The book says when clearing decimals, to multiply the denominator of the decimal with the greatest decimal places by both sides of the equation. Clearly that is done here, but why don't we multiply the ##\left(50-x\right)## by 10 as well? I would think that in multiplying each side of the equation by 10 would mean multiply each factor of each side of the equation by 10.
 
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DS2C said:
This isn't for math homework. I'm in self study and came across something in my book that I'm seeking clarification for.

The equation:
$$0.3\left(50-x\right)=6$$
The solution:
$$3\left(50-x\right)=60$$
$$150-3x=60$$
$$-3x=-90$$
$$x=30$$

Simple enough. My question is in regards to this:
The book says when clearing decimals, to multiply the denominator of the decimal with the greatest decimal places by both sides of the equation. Clearly that is done here, but why don't we multiply the ##\left(50-x\right)## by 10 as well? I would think that in multiplying each side of the equation by 10 would mean multiply each factor of each side of the equation by 10.
No.
Multiplying the left side by 10, you can multiply either the .3 factor or the 50 - x factor, but not both factors. If you multiplied both factors on the left side, you would essentially be multiplying the left side by 100.

There is no distributive law for multiplication over multiplication. In other words, it's not true that a(bc) = (ab)(ac). More concretely, for 3(5 * 2) you can expand this as 15 * 2 or as 5 * 6, both of which simplify to 30, but you can't rewrite it as 15 * 6, which is 90..
 
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Makes total sense. Didnt think of it like that. Thank you sir.
 
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DS2C

The main idea in Algebra 1 is Properties of Numbers, Properties of Equality, Properties of Inequality. You learn how numbers work, including using some graphical ways to help understand. If this main idea is in-line with your way of thinking, or if you can develop this through study, then you will find that some of or much of Algebra 1 will become intuitive (more or less).
 
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Thank you that's very helpful. I've been working on being able to understand the whys and hows of all the problems to give me a good understanding of the underlying concepts and I think its been really helpful so far. I used to just memorize how to solve a problem but I've noticed that if I understand it makes it easier to solve any problem in general, not just that specific one.
Sometimes I think myself into a hole like in this
situation so I come here for help and I appreciate when members throw me a line.
 
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DS2C said:
Thank you that's very helpful. I've been working on being able to understand the whys and hows of all the problems to give me a good understanding of the underlying concepts and I think its been really helpful so far. I used to just memorize how to solve a problem but I've noticed that if I understand it makes it easier to solve any problem in general, not just that specific one.
Sometimes I think myself into a hole like in this
situation so I come here for help and I appreciate when members throw me a line.
You also have some logical thinking to develop, like when dealing with inequalities or absolute values.
 
symbolipoint said:
You also have some logical thinking to develop, like when dealing with inequalities or absolute values.
That's definitely true. In general I need to develop pretty much every skill related to math. Never really cared in high school and its been 9 years so I am starting from scratch. Really liking it.
 
symbolipoint said:
You also have some logical thinking to develop, like when dealing with inequalities or absolute values.
DS2C said:
That's definitely true. In general I need to develop pretty much every skill related to math. Never really cared in high school and its been 9 years so I am starting from scratch. Really liking it.
Those are what bring variable expressions, drawing, and logic together. One should draw situations on a numberline, and ask TRUE-FALSE questions and solve accordingly. This can be difficult for the Algebra 1 and Algebra 2 students; but this stuff does become easier upon repeated study (or longer more intensive study).
 
symbolipoint said:
Those are what bring variable expressions, drawing, and logic together. One should draw situations on a numberline, and ask TRUE-FALSE questions and solve accordingly. This can be difficult for the Algebra 1 and Algebra 2 students; but this stuff does become easier upon repeated study (or longer more intensive study).

What do you mean by the first two sentences? Could you give me an example? This is good stuff.
 

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