Lufthansa Pilot Aces Difficult Landing in Stormy Hamburg

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The Lufthansa pilot successfully navigated a challenging landing in Hamburg amidst severe storm conditions, with wind speeds reaching 250 kph (155 mph). Despite initial difficulties, including the aircraft's wing grazing the runway, the pilot managed to regain control and land safely on a second attempt. Discussions highlight the importance of pilot judgment and decision-making in adverse weather, emphasizing that while pilots must possess superior skills, they should also exercise superior judgment to avoid dangerous situations. The incident is under investigation to assess the decisions made by both the pilot and air traffic control (ATC).

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  • #31
Maxi J is 24 years old and she was the co-pilot on the flight. She certainly didn't have the experience with this kind of landing.

Oliver A. is 17 years with Lufthansa and 6 years as captain.
 
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  • #32
Andre said:
Furthermore I assumed that large aircraft touch down all the way maintaining crabbing because of this problem wing drop problem (the down wind wing is shielded from the airflow by the fuselage and hence looses lift).
A pilot co-worker of mine pointed out to me that the B-52 was designed with all-wheel steering, allowing it to land in a crab instead of attempting to straighten-out right before touchdown.
 
  • #33
Cyrus said:
Actually, it is entirely the pilots fault. ATC has no say, the final authority is only on the pilot. If, for example, I ask ATC if I should land at an airport, they can't tell me yes or no. They can only tell me the weather and to use my own personal judgement.
You're right that the pilot has authority and responsibility, but ATC does hold one trump card: they can shut down their airport. If a pilot viewed the fact that the airport was open (others in the area were closed) as implying it was safe to land, then he was shirking that responsibility. But yes, we are speculating and monday-morning qbing.

Here's some more info on the incident:

http://tinyurl.com/2rk36t
 
  • #34
The 155 mph gust appears to be a myth. The weather man on TV talks about 70 knot gusts ~80 mph, at 60 degrees cross. It appears that the cross wind limit is indeed 35 knots, so the limit was reached. They could have landed on runway 31, and they did on the second attempt, where the max cross wind would have been only 20 degrees, bringing the cross wind component well below limits. However this runway had less approach facilities.
 
  • #35
russ_watters said:
You're right that the pilot has authority and responsibility, but ATC does hold one trump card: they can shut down their airport. If a pilot viewed the fact that the airport was open (others in the area were closed) as implying it was safe to land, then he was shirking that responsibility. But yes, we are speculating and monday-morning qbing.

Here's some more info on the incident:

http://tinyurl.com/2rk36t

I think the reason why they can't tell you its ok to land is because they don't know how heavy your airplane is. Its possible to land at an airport and not be able to take off from it because the runway is too short.