M.S. Physics/EE - Is it worth doing?

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The discussion revolves around the value of pursuing a Master's degree in Physics or Electrical Engineering (EE), particularly for someone with a background in psychology and current interest in science and mathematics. Participants explore job prospects, the relevance of advanced degrees, and the opinions of peers regarding education and career paths.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the value of pursuing further education in physics or engineering, citing advice from co-workers that suggests such efforts may be futile.
  • Concerns about the job market for physics graduates are raised, with one participant noting the difficulty in finding jobs and the high competition for available positions.
  • Another participant argues that an MS in EE provides significantly more job opportunities compared to a BS alone, while suggesting that an MS in physics is often viewed as a fallback for those who do not succeed in PhD programs.
  • A participant with extensive educational background in physics and engineering encourages pursuing graduate studies, emphasizing the value of education and the potential for success regardless of age.
  • There is a humorous reaction to the dismissive comments made by the participant's co-workers, questioning the seriousness of such advice from individuals in technical fields.
  • One participant suggests that the negative comments from peers might stem from a fear of competition, implying that they may recognize the potential for the original poster to surpass them academically and professionally.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a mix of skepticism and encouragement regarding the pursuit of advanced degrees. There is no consensus on the value of an M.S. in physics versus an M.S. in EE, and the discussion reflects multiple competing views on the job market and the relevance of higher education.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the job market for physics graduates and the competitive nature of job applications, but do not resolve these issues or provide definitive solutions. The discussion also reflects varying personal experiences and perceptions of the value of education in technical fields.

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I work primarily with electrical engineers, physicists, and mathematicians. I have a degree in psychology and I have been taking a few classes per semester in lower division science/math courses; e.g., I am taking multi-variable calculus this semester. Both of the local universities San Diego State University and UCSD in my city do not grant second bachelor's degrees in science fields. The reasoning being that I already had my shot and I would be taking up the spot of someone who hadn't had the opportunity to go to college. Fair enough. SDSU has told me that I must apply for a graduate program (in this case EE) in order to get be considered but must have taken most of the courses out of their undegraduate curriculum.

My co-workers have offerred the following advice:



"You're wasting your time. You'd be better off smoking pot and watching episodes of Survivor."

"You should be at the beach staring at *@*#$@# and @#$@#$."

"Engineering is on the decline and it is a global market. Someone else can do your job for half as cheap and twice as efficient."


"You'll never use any of that crap."

"Go out and chase women instead."

"It doesn't matter, you have a steady government job and no one ever uses what they learned in school."

I have the following questions: Why do so many people who have engineering degrees (people whom I would consider intelligent) say such things?

Are they right in any sense?

I find that I'm interested more in physics than EE. What are the job prospects for people with an M.S. in physics from a school like SDSU and am I better off smoking pot and watching episodes of Survivor?
 
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there's been a good sicussion of the job market for science (physics) and engineering degrees. this is a good debate a few weeks ago. https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=220618

Yea outsourcing is a huge problem. Maybe ur co-workers are right. Also, form my job hunt for physics jobs...it's REALLY HARD to find one, and if there is one, you're going to face huge amounts of competition. Tons of apps for one spot.

but check out the thread, see if it answers ur questions.
 
A MS in EE will offer many, many more job opportunities than a BS alone. An MS in physics, however, usually a consolation prize offered to those can't hack a PhD program. :frown:

- Warren
 
Hello,

I've BS physics Penn State '74 and MS NucE '78, also a CompSci MS from RPI. To me physics was the most interesting, because you've just exploring nature, not running a power plant or getting an accounts payable program, that pays thousands opf vendors, to run every night. Anyway, you have to go in at the graduate EE level (I suggest) and slug it out as best as you can. I've only heard of one history major, who upon graduation for BS, started over as EE freshman and he took 4 years to complete that BS EE. At least at PSU, many a doctoral student received at least one 'C,' so don't be intimidated. If you are young (under 40) and as you are working with EE types, you can complete the MS EE or even doctorate. You always want to get the most education as you possibly tolerate.
 
physics4fun said:
I work primarily with electrical engineers, physicists, and mathematicians.
My co-workers have offerred the following advice:

"You're wasting your time. You'd be better off smoking pot and watching episodes of Survivor."

"Go out and chase women instead."

are you serious? engineers, mathematicians and physicists said these things? that's hilarious! i figure they at least encourage you to read or whatever.
 
physics4fun said:
I work primarily with electrical engineers, physicists, and mathematicians. I have a degree in psychology and I have been taking a few classes per semester in lower division science/math courses; e.g., I am taking multi-variable calculus this semester. Both of the local universities San Diego State University and UCSD in my city do not grant second bachelor's degrees in science fields. The reasoning being that I already had my shot and I would be taking up the spot of someone who hadn't had the opportunity to go to college. Fair enough. SDSU has told me that I must apply for a graduate program (in this case EE) in order to get be considered but must have taken most of the courses out of their undegraduate curriculum.

My co-workers have offerred the following advice:



"You're wasting your time. You'd be better off smoking pot and watching episodes of Survivor."

"You should be at the beach staring at *@*#$@# and @#$@#$."

"Engineering is on the decline and it is a global market. Someone else can do your job for half as cheap and twice as efficient."


"You'll never use any of that crap."

"Go out and chase women instead."

"It doesn't matter, you have a steady government job and no one ever uses what they learned in school."

I have the following questions: Why do so many people who have engineering degrees (people whom I would consider intelligent) say such things?

Are they right in any sense?

I find that I'm interested more in physics than EE. What are the job prospects for people with an M.S. in physics from a school like SDSU and am I better off smoking pot and watching episodes of Survivor?

Have you considered the possibility that these "advisors" recognize your potential and are concerned that they will be working for you one day if you earn a degree and remove the glass ceiling that is currently holding you down?

Michael Courtney
 

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