Magic: Tiny Plunger - Penn & Teller's Impressive Card Trick

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics and techniques behind a card trick performed by Penn and Teller, specifically focusing on how a plunger is used to select cards from a deck. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding the trick's execution, considering both physical principles and practical methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the trick may involve a technique related to wringing, particularly with a new deck of cards.
  • One participant proposes that the act of pulling a card out could introduce air around it, creating a breaking point, and mentions the potential use of talc to facilitate separation.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of the talc theory when the magician is able to pull a specific number of cards based on a number spoken by the host, implying a need for prior knowledge of card placement.
  • There is a suggestion that pinholes in the cards could create suction to control how many cards are picked up, although this is met with skepticism regarding the effectiveness of such a method.
  • One participant argues that the size of the holes may not be as critical as the plunger's ability to maintain a lack of air between the cards, suggesting a friction-based interaction similar to the Casimir effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various competing views on the mechanisms behind the trick, with no consensus reached on a definitive explanation. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple hypotheses being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the physical properties of the cards and the mechanics of the plunger are not fully explored, and the discussion does not clarify the exact methods used in the trick.

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An act from Penn and Teller: Fool us where a plunger does the act of finding a card from deck against so many odds.
This trick is so elegant as the magician is giving the plunger and cards for inspection yet he do wonders.
Anybody having faintest idea of how this is being performed?
 
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jackwhirl said:
My best guess is that it is related to wringing. This would be especially easy with a brand new deck of cards.

See the answer here that refers to gauge blocks: http://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...-similar-smooth-metals-seem-to-stick-together
Okay,if he is able to pick the whole deck of cards by that plunger. But how he is able to cut with a plunger the exact same card that the audience has chosen? Most surprising part is that when he gives to the audience (Teller) and Teller cuts his chosen card by that plunger.
 
The mere act of pulling the card out would add air around that card making it the likely breaking point. If he had talc on his hand he could spread it on the card below and practically guarantee it would separate there.
 
jackwhirl said:
The mere act of pulling the card out would add air around that card making it the likely breaking point. If he had talc on his hand he could spread it on the card below and practically guarantee it would separate there.
That logic is not applicable when he asks the host to speak a number and the plunger takes out exactly that number of cards, because the magician has to know the place where he has to apply talc or separate it.
 
Raghav Gupta said:
That logic is not applicable when he asks the host to speak a number and the plunger takes out exactly that number of cards, because the magician has to know the place where he has to apply talc or separate it.
And who was holding the cards when the number was spoken?
 
jackwhirl said:
And who was holding the cards when the number was spoken?
Magician, but he is not spreading cards while host speaks number.
 
Why not just have pinholes in the cards, wouldn't that be enough to exert some suction on the lower cards. Just make there be one solid card, or however they align, and you can control how many to pick up.

As soon as I saw it pick up 2 cards I thought, ok, they have unaligned holes.
 
Hepth said:
Why not just have pinholes in the cards, wouldn't that be enough to exert some suction on the lower cards.
No, I don't think so. Pressure is force/area and the area of pinholes is very small.
 
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Why don't you just make one thread to post all these in, instead of spamming the general forum with magic trick posts.
 
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I don't think the size of the hole matters so much actually. What matters is that the plunger can maintain a lack of air between the two cards, thus causing a friction for them to stay together. 2 New cards will actually do this without suction, almost like a casmir effect.
 

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