Magnet moved in a circular coil

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of induced EMF in a circular coil when a magnet is moved in and out of it. Participants explore how the frequency of the magnet's movement affects the induced current and the response of a galvanometer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the frequency of the magnet's movement and the induced EMF, questioning how this impacts the readings on a galvanometer. There is also consideration of potential misinterpretations of terms used in the problem statement.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the implications of frequency on the galvanometer's readings and the nature of the induced EMF. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the visibility of variations in the galvanometer's response.

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Participants note the potential confusion caused by the terminology used in the problem, particularly regarding the term "voltmeter," which some suggest may have been a mistake for "galvanometer." There is also a discussion about the limitations of mechanical galvanometers in following high-frequency signals.

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As the magnet moves in and out of the coil , flux linked with the coil changes , as a result an EMF is induced in the coil . A current flows in the coil . The current depends on how fast the magnet is moved . Current will vary in the coil . I think Options 1) and 4) can be ignored .

I don't understand how the induced current depends upon the frequency with which magnet is moved .

How do we choose between 2) and 3) ?
 

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Hi,
Good work so far. Choosing between 2 and 3 means finding something that has to do with frequency. The composer (deliberately?) complicated the issue by using the term voltmeter.

What is the form of the induced EMF, as e.g. expressed in terms of a function ##V(t)## ?
 
Hi ,

BvU said:
The composer (deliberately?) complicated the issue by using the term voltmeter.

Let us assume that it is a printing mistake . Please read voltmeter as Galvanometer .

BvU said:
What is the form of the induced EMF

It is dΦ/dt or AdB/dt i.e area (of the coil) times rate of change of magnetic field through the coil .
 
Yes, so quickly varying (like e.g. a sine) at 50 Hz and slowly at 1 or 2 Hz. With an amplitude proportional to the frequency. What would a galvanometer show in case 2 ? And in case 3 ?
 
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BvU said:
With an amplitude proportional to the frequency.

Why ?

BvU said:
What would a galvanometer show in case 2

Visible large variation . Option 2) says "small" variation .

I missed out on the word "small" given in the second option .

Option 2) can also be left out .
 
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Why ?
Jahnavi said:
The current depends on how fast the magnet is moved
So a bigger signal in 2 than in 3.

Nevertheless:
Visible large variation . Option 2) says "small" variation .
No. The amplitude of the EMF may be a lot bigger than in 3, but the point is that a) the galvanometer can't follow that so fast, and even if it could, you wouldn't be able to follow it so fast.
 
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BvU said:
The amplitude of the EMF may be a lot bigger than in 3, but the point is that a) the galvanometer can't follow that so fast, and even if it could, you wouldn't be able to follow it so fast.

Sorry .

Do you mean there will be a large variation in case of option 2) but it might not be visible . Is "visible" the issue in option 2) ?

The needle of Galvanometer will move to and fro from one side to other very quickly but it will be visible . I might be wrong .
 
50 Hz can't be followed by a mechanical galvanometer. So there won't be a large oscillation.

A modern intelligent multimeter would probably detect an AC signal and use a rectifier -- and show a voltage.

My money is on 3) for this exercise ('very sensitive galvanometer')
 
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BvU said:
50 Hz can't be followed by a mechanical galvanometer. So there won't be a large oscillation.

So , the needle of the Galvanometer more or less stays in its place ?
 
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Thanks !
 

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