Magnetic field at center of loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field at the center of a loop, involving both a straight conductor and a circular loop. Participants are exploring the application of Ampere's Law and the relevant formulas for magnetic fields in different configurations.

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  • Participants discuss the use of Ampere's Law and the formula for the magnetic field due to a straight conductor, questioning how to incorporate the magnetic field from a circular loop. There are attempts to calculate the magnetic field at the center of the loop and concerns about potential calculation errors.

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Some participants are sharing their calculations and expressing uncertainty about their results. There is a request for conceptual clarification regarding the addition of magnetic fields from different parts of the conductor, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are questioning the definitions of variables such as the distance from the wire and the radius of the loop, which suggests that there may be some ambiguity in the problem setup. There is also a mention of imposed homework rules that may affect the approach to the problem.

Linus Pauling
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1. What is the magnetic field at the center of the loop in the figure ?

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2. Ampere's Law



3. If the surface integral of B*ds = Bl = 2*pi*d = u0*I:

B = u0I / (2pi*d) = 5*5-5 T, which is wrong.
 
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B = u0I / (2pi*d)
This formula is for a long straight conductor.
In the given problem in addition to the straight conductor, one circular loop is also present.
Find the field at the center of the circular coil and add it to the above.
 
Still not getting it.

I calculated B_loop = u0IR2/[2(z2+R2)3/2]

With z = 0 because we're at the center of the loop, it reduces to B = u0I/2R = 3.15*10-4.

Adding that to my first answer yields 3.65*10-4
 
I know the answer is 4.14*10-4 so I muse be making some sort of small calculation error...
 
Could somebody also explain, conceptually, why I would calculate B for a straight conductor and a loop and add them? For example, why would I calculate B for the full length of the conductor if some of it isn't straight (i.e. is looped)? Or is that part of my mistake here?
 

B = u0I / (2pi*d) = 5*5-5 T

Check this calculation. Here d = 1 cm.
 
why is d = 1cm and not 2cm? Is it the radius of the loop? Why not call it r?
 
d is the distance from the straight wire, which is 1 cm.
 
Linus Pauling said:
Could somebody also explain, conceptually, why I would calculate B for a straight conductor and a loop and add them? For example, why would I calculate B for the full length of the conductor if some of it isn't straight (i.e. is looped)? Or is that part of my mistake here?

Suppose that you could see the electrons flowing. The straight part of the wire in this problem looks exactly like a normal straight wire: the electrons are flowing in a straight line from one end to the other. The circular part looks exactly like a normal circular current loop: the electrons seem to be going in circles. Due to the principle of superposition, you can calculate the magnetic field induced by the straight part and the circular part and add them to get the resultant field.
 
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