Magnetic Field in Spherical Coordinate

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The discussion centers on calculating the magnetic field due to a dipole using the equation ##B_{dip} (r) = \nabla \times A##, where ##A## is the magnetic vector potential. The correct expression for the magnetic field is ##B_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^3} (2 \cos \theta \hat{r} + \sin \theta \hat{\theta})##. The confusion arose from the participant's misunderstanding of the curl operation and the components of the vector potential, specifically the need to consider all relevant components in the calculation. After clarification, the participant successfully derived the correct expression.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to use the equation ##B_{dip} (r) = \nabla \times A## to find the magnetic field due to a dipole at the origin pointing in the z direction (where A is the magnetic vector potential).

The correct answer should be:

##B_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^3} \ (2 cos \theta \ \hat{r} + sin \theta \ \hat{\theta})##​

But I'm unable to get this expression. I can't see how they got the part in the bracket. :confused:

Homework Equations



In spherical coordinates:

##A_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \frac{m sin \theta}{r^2} \hat{\phi}## ... (1)

Curl:

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... (2)

The Attempt at a Solution



So we only need to use the ##\hat{\phi}## term from the curl equation. Substituting (1) into (2), we obtain:

##\nabla \times A= \frac{1}{r}\left( \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( \frac{r \mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{4 \pi r^2} \right) \right) - \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \left( \frac{\mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{4 \pi r^2} \right) \right) \right)##​

##=\frac{1}{r} (- \frac{\mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{\pi r^2} - \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^2} cos \theta)##​

##\therefore \ B_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^3} (-sin \theta - cos \theta)##​

So how did they get from "-sinθ - cosθ" to "2 cosθ + sinθ"? Have I made a mistake somewhere? :confused:

Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:
So we only need to use the ϕ^\hat{\phi} term from the curl equation.
This is the reason why you got wrong answer. Although the vector potential only has ##\phi## component, that doesn't mean its curl will also has only ##\phi## component. What you need to heed to in the expression of the curl of A is:
## A_r \rightarrow r## component of vector potential
## A_\theta \rightarrow \theta## component of vector potential
## A_\phi \rightarrow \phi## component of vector potential
Now the vector potential does not have the ##r## and ##\theta## components, so any differential operation acting on these components should vanish. The differential acting on the ##\phi## component should, in general, not vanish depending on which variable it's differentiated against.
 
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What do you mean? The answer for ##B(r)## has a ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## component. How did they get that?

If all the partial derivatives with respect to θ and r vanish, then I must only use the ##\partial/\partial \phi## terms. Namely:

##\frac{1}{sin \theta} \left( \frac{-\partial A_\phi}{\partial \phi} \right) + \frac{1}{r} \left( \frac{1}{sin \theta} \frac{\partial A_r}{\partial \phi} \right)##

But since I do not have any ϕ variables this also vanishes...
 
Ok if I rewrite the vector potential to ##A_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \frac{m sin \theta}{r^2} \hat{\phi} = A_{\phi}(r,\theta) \hat{\phi}##, will you know which terms in the curl should vanish, which one should not?
If you calculate the fourth therm in the curl ##\frac{1}{r} \frac{(\partial rA_{\phi})} {\partial r}##, will it be zero?
 
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Thank you so much for the explanation, it makes perfect sense now. I got the right answer using the first and the fourth term. Thank you!
 

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