Magnetic Field in Spherical Coordinate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field due to a dipole in spherical coordinates using the equation for the curl of the magnetic vector potential. The original poster attempts to derive the expression for the magnetic field but encounters difficulties in matching their result with the expected answer.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the components of the magnetic vector potential and how they relate to the curl operation. There is a focus on understanding which terms contribute to the final expression for the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the components of the vector potential and their implications for the curl calculation. The original poster expresses gratitude for the insights gained, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of vector calculus in spherical coordinates, specifically regarding the treatment of terms in the curl of the magnetic vector potential. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all relevant components are considered in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



I am trying to use the equation ##B_{dip} (r) = \nabla \times A## to find the magnetic field due to a dipole at the origin pointing in the z direction (where A is the magnetic vector potential).

The correct answer should be:

##B_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^3} \ (2 cos \theta \ \hat{r} + sin \theta \ \hat{\theta})##​

But I'm unable to get this expression. I can't see how they got the part in the bracket. :confused:

Homework Equations



In spherical coordinates:

##A_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \frac{m sin \theta}{r^2} \hat{\phi}## ... (1)

Curl:

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... (2)

The Attempt at a Solution



So we only need to use the ##\hat{\phi}## term from the curl equation. Substituting (1) into (2), we obtain:

##\nabla \times A= \frac{1}{r}\left( \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \left( \frac{r \mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{4 \pi r^2} \right) \right) - \left( \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \left( \frac{\mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{4 \pi r^2} \right) \right) \right)##​

##=\frac{1}{r} (- \frac{\mu_0 m \ sin \theta}{\pi r^2} - \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^2} cos \theta)##​

##\therefore \ B_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0 m}{4 \pi r^3} (-sin \theta - cos \theta)##​

So how did they get from "-sinθ - cosθ" to "2 cosθ + sinθ"? Have I made a mistake somewhere? :confused:

Any explanation would be greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:
So we only need to use the ϕ^\hat{\phi} term from the curl equation.
This is the reason why you got wrong answer. Although the vector potential only has ##\phi## component, that doesn't mean its curl will also has only ##\phi## component. What you need to heed to in the expression of the curl of A is:
## A_r \rightarrow r## component of vector potential
## A_\theta \rightarrow \theta## component of vector potential
## A_\phi \rightarrow \phi## component of vector potential
Now the vector potential does not have the ##r## and ##\theta## components, so any differential operation acting on these components should vanish. The differential acting on the ##\phi## component should, in general, not vanish depending on which variable it's differentiated against.
 
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What do you mean? The answer for ##B(r)## has a ##\hat{r}## and ##\hat{\theta}## component. How did they get that?

If all the partial derivatives with respect to θ and r vanish, then I must only use the ##\partial/\partial \phi## terms. Namely:

##\frac{1}{sin \theta} \left( \frac{-\partial A_\phi}{\partial \phi} \right) + \frac{1}{r} \left( \frac{1}{sin \theta} \frac{\partial A_r}{\partial \phi} \right)##

But since I do not have any ϕ variables this also vanishes...
 
Ok if I rewrite the vector potential to ##A_{dip} (r) = \frac{\mu_0}{4 \pi} \frac{m sin \theta}{r^2} \hat{\phi} = A_{\phi}(r,\theta) \hat{\phi}##, will you know which terms in the curl should vanish, which one should not?
If you calculate the fourth therm in the curl ##\frac{1}{r} \frac{(\partial rA_{\phi})} {\partial r}##, will it be zero?
 
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Thank you so much for the explanation, it makes perfect sense now. I got the right answer using the first and the fourth term. Thank you!
 

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