Magnetic force on wires -direction of B

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The problem involves three wires with a linear density of 50 g/m, each carrying the same current. The bottom two wires are positioned 4 cm apart and carry currents into the page. The objective is to determine the current that will allow the third wire to float, forming an equilateral triangle with the other two wires.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the magnetic field directions and components, expressing confusion over differing results from two approaches involving forces and magnetic fields. Some participants question the use of cos(60) in the calculations, while others clarify the angle of the magnetic fields relative to the horizontal.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the magnetic field angles and their implications for the calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but clarification on the angles involved is being sought.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the angles of the magnetic fields and how they affect the calculations of forces and currents. The original poster's concern about the correctness of their results highlights potential gaps in understanding the setup.

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Homework Statement


Three wires have linear density of 50 g/m. They each carry the same current. The bottom two are 4 cm apart and carry currents into the page. What current I will allow the third wire to float so as to form an equilateral triangle with the other two?


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I think I am really close, but I'm just concerned because I'm having some problems with magnetic field directions and components.

If I start with the magnetic field, I think that the y- components of the magnetic fields of the bottom two wires cancel. So the net B-field is:

2* cos(60) * (1.257*10-6)I / 2pi*.04 = (5*10^-6)I

F=IlBsin(theta) for the force on a current carrying wire

F= I^2 * (5*10-6) * l = (9.8)(.05)*l
I= 313A.

This isn't quite correct, however, I find that if I turn to forces first, and seeing that the bottom two have forces where the x-components cancel.

F = I^2 * l * (5*10-6)*sin(60) = .05*9.8l
I = 237 A This is correct. But I am confused by why the two give different answers.
 
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bcjochim07 said:
2* cos(60) * (1.257*10-6)I / 2pi*.04 = (5*10^-6)I

Where does the cos(60) come from?
 
Isn't the magnetic fields from the bottom wires at an angle of 60 degrees to horizontal? So with cos(60) I am getting the x components from those mag. fields and adding them together.
 
bcjochim07 said:
Isn't the magnetic fields from the bottom wires at an angle of 60 degrees to horizontal?

I'm getting that B is 60 degrees from vertical.
 

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