Magnetic Moment of Uniformly Charged Rotating Sphere

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic moment of a uniformly charged sphere that is rotating with a constant angular velocity. The original poster attempts to derive the expression for the magnetic moment, m, and assumes that a represents the radius of the sphere.

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  • Participants discuss the integration process in spherical coordinates and the implications of using different coordinate systems. There are attempts to express the magnetic moment in terms of integrals involving the charge density and angular velocity. Questions arise regarding the treatment of unit vectors and the correctness of the derived expressions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various mathematical approaches and questioning assumptions about the integration process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of unit vectors and the definition of angular momentum, but no consensus or final solution has been reached.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions made regarding the position dependence of unit vectors and the implications for the integration process. Participants are also considering the relationship between the magnetic moment and angular momentum, with references to specific formulas and definitions.

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A small sphere is uniformly charged throughout its' volume and rotating with constant angular velocity [itex]\omega[/itex]. Show it's magnetic moment is given by
[itex]m=\frac{1}{5}Q \omega a^2[/itex]. the question doesn't say but I'm assuming a is the radius.

Anyway, so far I have:

[itex]m=\frac{1}{2} \int_V dV (\mathbf{r \wedge J})[/itex]

but [itex]\mathbf{J}= \rho \mathbf{v} = \rho \mathbf{\omega \wedge r}[/itex]

and so [itex]m=\frac{\rho}{2} \int_V r^2 \mathbf{\omega} - (\mathbf{r \cdot \omega})\mathbf{r}[/itex]

but i don't really know where to go from here?
 
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Choose a coordinate system and carry out the integration. The easiest choice is probably spherical coordinates, with omega pointing in the z-direction.
 
ok so [itex]\int (\mathbf{r \cdot \omega})\mathbf{r} dV=\int r \omega \cos{\theta} r^2 \sin{\theta} dr d \theta d \phi \frac{\mathbf{\hat{r}}}{r}=\omega \int_0^a r^2 dr \int_0^{\pi} \cos{\theta} \sin{\theta} d \theta \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \mathbf{\hat{r}}[/itex]
giving
[itex]\omega \frac{a^3}{3} 2 \pi \int_0^{\pi} \frac{1}{2} \sin{2 \theta} d \theta \mathbf{\hat{r}}= \frac{2}{3} \pi a^3 \left[ -\frac{1}{4} \cos{\theta} \right]_0^{\pi} \mathbf{\hat{r}}[/itex]

which is

[itex]\omega \frac{a^3}{12} \pi (-[-1-1])=\frac{\omega \pi a^3}{6} \mathbf{\hat{r}}[/itex]
 
and the first integral is [itex]\omega \int_0^a r^4 dr \int_0^{\pi} \sin{\theta} d \theta \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \mathfb{\hat{z}}=\omega \frac{2a^5}{5} 2 \pi \mathbf{\hat{z}}=\frac{4 \omega \pi a^5}{5} \mathbf{\hat{z}}[/itex]
 
reckon I've messed up somewhere though because they shouldn't have directions should they?
 
latentcorpse said:
reckon I've messed up somewhere though because they shouldn't have directions should they?

Magnetic moment is a vector, so it most definitely should have a direction.

But you have messed up somewhere; is [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] really position independent? Because that's what you are assuming when you pull it out of the integral.
 
ok. not sure what to do with it then?
 
Cartesian unit vectors are position independent, so rewrite [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] in terms of them.

[tex]\hat{r}=\sin\theta\cos\phi\hat{x}+\ldots[/tex]
 
ok. did that. both the [itex]\hat{x},\hat{y}[/itex] bits dropped out.

and i got

[itex]\omega \int_0^a r^2 dr \int_0^{\pi} \sin{\theta} \cos^2{\theta} d \theta \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \mathbf{\hat{z}}=-\frac{\omega a^3}{3} \int_{1}^{-1} (-u^2) du 2 \pi \mathbf{\hat{z}}[/itex] where [itex]u=\cos{\theta}[/itex]
which simplifies to [itex]\frac{2 \omega \rho \pi a^3}{3} \mathbf{\hat{z}}[/itex] when you multiply in the factor of [itex]\frac{\rho}{2}[/itex] and so overall we get

[itex]m=\left( \frac{2 \omega \rho \pi a^5}{5} -\frac{2 \omega \rho \pi a^3}{3} \right) \mathbf{\hat{z}}[/itex] which doesn't quite give me what i want. there must still be a mistake somewhere i guess.

and i assume [itex]Q=\fac{4}{3} \pi \rho a^3[/itex]
 
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What is 2/5-2/3?:wink:

Edit why does your second terms have a^3 instead of a^5?
 
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  • #11
kool. i got it.

the next bit is to find the angular momentum L of the sphere of mass M and verify that [itex]\mathbf{m}=\frac{Q}{2M}\mathbf{L}[/itex]

i was wanting to use the formula I'm meant to be verifying for finding L so since that's out the window, I was guessing [itex]\mathbf{L}=M(r^2\mathbf{\omega}-(\mathbf{r \cdot \omega})\mathbf{r}[/itex] but that's not getting me anywhere!
 
  • #12
Use the definition of angular momentum: [tex]\vec{L}=M\vec{v}\times\vec{r}[/tex]

P.S. \mathbf doesn't always show up too well here, so you might want to switch to \vec

Edit: [tex]\vec{dL}=\rho_M\vec{v}\times\vec{r}dV[/tex] where [tex]\rho_M=\frac{M}{\frac{4}{3}\pi a^3}[/tex]:wink:
 
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  • #13
do i sub in for v before i integrate?
 
  • #14
did you sub in v before integrating when inding m?:wink:
 
  • #15
yes. so is it basically going to be the same integral again?
 
  • #16
You tell me...
 

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