Magnitude of object with constant speed

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a 6 kg box being pushed across a flat table at a constant speed of 0.35 m/s, with a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.12. The original poster is attempting to determine the magnitude of the applied force, F, while grappling with the implications of constant speed on normal force and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster calculates the normal force and friction but arrives at zero, leading to confusion about whether it is normal for an object moving at constant speed to have zero friction. Other participants suggest reconsidering the approach to finding normal force and emphasize the importance of free body diagrams (FBD).

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing guidance on how to properly account for gravitational forces and the normal force. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the forces acting on the box, particularly in the context of constant velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the necessity of considering gravitational acceleration in determining the normal force, despite the box not accelerating horizontally. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly interpreting the forces involved in the scenario.

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Homework Statement


in the physics laboratory experiment, a 6 kg box is pushed across a flat table by horizontal force F. if the box is moving at a constant speed of 0.35 m/s and the coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.12. what is the magnitude of F.


Homework Equations


F=μ*Fn
where
F = friction
μ = coefficient of friction
Fn = normal force

Fn = mass of object * acceleration


The Attempt at a Solution



i solve for Fn first,
Fn = 6 kg * 0 m/s2
and got an answer of zero for normal force... i let the acceleration to be zero because it says that it has constant speed... Is it normal to have a zero normal force?

and then when i solve for the magnitude of friction...
F = 0.12*0
which is zero also... O.o...

i'm not sure if i got a wrong equation, but i think its correct... or if i got some wrong interpretation of the given values that results to zero friction...

My question is, is it a normal thing for an object with constant speed to have a zero friction?
 
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Kamirusen said:
Fn = normal force

Fn = mass of object * acceleration
That's not how you find the normal force. Consider the vertical forces acting on the box.
 
thanks for reply...

so ill going to consider the acceleration due to gravity of an object with no horizontal acceleration?
 
First and fore most, never solve Newton Laws Problems without FBD. Draw the figure and correctly denote the directions in which the forces acts. Use F(net)=Ma along x-y axes. See what happens.
 
Kamirusen said:
so ill going to consider the acceleration due to gravity of an object with no horizontal acceleration?
Sure. You'll need it to find the object's weight.

Just because you might use the acceleration due to gravity does not mean the object must be accelerating. Think of the acceleration due to gravity as a measure of the strength of the Earth's gravitational field.
 
In this case
##F_N=mg## m = mass, g=gravity, gravity pulls down with 9.81m/s^2 so find normal force
##F_N=6kg*9.81\frac{m}{s^2}=58.86N##
If you're trying to move the body in constant velocity then
##F_{net}=0## because:
##F_{net}=ma##
##F-F_f=ma##
##F-F_f=m * 0##
##F-F_f=0## so friction is equal to pushing force.
so simply find friction ##F_f=\mu F_N## and that's the pushing force
 
thanks ! its clearer now... :)
 

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