Force to make 2 blocks move relative to each other at constant speed

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force required to make two blocks move relative to each other at a constant speed. The smaller block (m1 = 1 kg) and the larger block (m2 = 2 kg) experience friction coefficients of μ1 = 0.2 and μ2 = 0.3, respectively. The tension (T) in the connecting pulleys and the angle (θ = 37°) are crucial for determining the forces acting on the blocks. The calculations yield a force (P) of approximately 12 N, while the answer key indicates 15 N, suggesting a discrepancy that needs further investigation.

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Homework Statement
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Smaller block has mass 1 kg and larger block has mass 2 kg. Coefficient of friction between the two blocks is 0.2 and between larger block and floor is 0.3. Find the value of P so that the two blocks move relative to each other at constant sped
Relevant Equations
Newton's 2nd law of motion
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Let:
Smaller block = m1 = 1 kg
Large block = m2 = 2 kg
Coefficient of friction between the two blocks = μ1 = 0.2
Coefficient of friction between larger block and floor = μ2 = 0.3
Tension connecting two blocks through two pulleys = T
Angle between tension and horizontal = θ = 37o
Friction between two blocks = f1
Friction between larger block and floor = f2
Normal force acting on m1 = N1
Normal force acting on m2 = N2
Weight of m1 = W1
Weight of m2 = W2

Free body diagram of m1:
T cos θ to the left
T sin θ upwards
W1 downwards
N1 upwards
f1 to the right

Equation of motion for m1:
T sin θ + N1 = W1
N1 = W1 - T sin θ ...(i)

f1 = μ1 . N1 = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ) ... (ii)

T cos θ = f1
T cos θ = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ)
T cos θ = μ1 . W1 - μ1 . T sin θ
T cos θ + μ1 . T sin θ = μ1 . W1
T = (μ1 . W1) / (cos θ + μ1 . sin θ) ... (iii)Free body diagram of m1:
f1 to the left
f2 to the left
P to the right
W2 downwards
N1 downwards
N2 upwards
T to the left

Equation of motion for m2:
$$P = f_1 + f_2 + T
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . T \sin \theta + \mu_2 . (W_2 + N_1) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - T \sin \theta \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\=\mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - \frac{\mu_1 . W_1. \sin \theta}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
$$

Is this correct? When I plug the value I got 12 something Newton and the answer key is 15 NThanks
 
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songoku said:
Homework Statement:: (see picture)

Smaller block has mass 1 kg and larger block has mass 2 kg. Coefficient of friction between the two blocks is 0.2 and between larger block and floor is 0.3. Find the value of P so that the two blocks move relative to each other at constant sped
Relevant Equations:: Newton's 2nd law of motion

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Let:
Smaller block = m1 = 1 kg
Large block = m2 = 2 kg
Coefficient of friction between the two blocks = μ1 = 0.2
Coefficient of friction between larger block and floor = μ2 = 0.3
Tension connecting two blocks through two pulleys = T
Angle between tension and horizontal = θ = 37o
Friction between two blocks = f1
Friction between larger block and floor = f2
Normal force acting on m1 = N1
Normal force acting on m2 = N2
Weight of m1 = W1
Weight of m2 = W2

Free body diagram of m1:
T cos θ to the left
T sin θ upwards
W1 downwards
N1 upwards
f1 to the right

Equation of motion for m1:
T sin θ + N1 = W1
N1 = W1 - T sin θ ...(i)

f1 = μ1 . N1 = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ) ... (ii)

T cos θ = f1
T cos θ = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ)
T cos θ = μ1 . W1 - μ1 . T sin θ
T cos θ + μ1 . T sin θ = μ1 . W1
T = (μ1 . W1) / (cos θ + μ1 . sin θ) ... (iii)Free body diagram of m1:
f1 to the left
f2 to the left
P to the right
W2 downwards
N1 downwards
N2 upwards
T to the left

Equation of motion for m2:
$$P = f_1 + f_2 + T
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . T \sin \theta + \mu_2 . (W_2 + N_1) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - T \sin \theta \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\=\mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - \frac{\mu_1 . W_1. \sin \theta}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
$$

Is this correct? When I plug the value I got 12 something Newton and the answer key is 15 NThanks
Your working looks correct, and produces the right answer for theta=0, and also for W1=0.
I agree with your 12.something, depending on the value you use for g.
 
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Thank you very much haruspex
 

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