Majorana Path Integral: Deriving VEVs of Barred/Unbarred Fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the path integral formulation for Majorana fields, specifically in the context of deriving vacuum expectation values (VEVs) of products of barred and unbarred fields. Participants explore the implications of different path integral expressions and their applicability to Majorana versus Dirac fields.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a path integral expression for a Majorana field that differs from Srednicki's formulation, suggesting alternatives that include both barred and unbarred fields.
  • Another participant asserts that the path integral for Majorana fields does not accommodate the second proposed expression, emphasizing that the first expression aligns with the nature of Majorana fields.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, indicating that while Majorana fields are indeed more fundamental than Dirac fields, there exists a notion of barred Majorana fields, referencing Srednicki's calculations of VEVs involving these fields.
  • A participant requests clarification on how to compute specific VEVs from the provided path integral, referencing a particular equation from Srednicki's work.
  • One participant suggests a method for computation involving the transformation between psi and psibar fields, noting the redundancy of barred fields in the context of Majorana fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of barred fields in the context of Majorana fields, with some asserting their redundancy while others maintain that they can be used in calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to derive VEVs from the path integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and concepts from Srednicki's text, indicating that understanding may depend on familiarity with prior chapters and the definitions of Majorana and Dirac fields.

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Hi,

By analogy with scalar field case, Srednicki leads us to Z_0 (\eta)=\int \mathcal{D}\Psi \exp{\left[i\int\,\mathrm{d}^4x (\mathcal{L}_0+\eta^{T}\psi)\right]} for a Majorana field.

I was expecting something different, like maybe: Z_0 (\eta)=\int \mathcal{D}\Psi\exp{\left[i\int\,\mathrm{d}^4x (\mathcal{L}_0+\eta^{T}\psi+\eta\psi^{T})\right]} at least.

or even: Z_0 (\eta)=\int \mathcal{D}\Psi \mathcal{D}\bar{\Psi}\ \exp{\left[i\int\,\mathrm{d}^4x (\mathcal{L}_0+\bar{\eta}\psi+\eta\bar{\psi})\right]} (why a transpose on eta now and not a bar?)

I mean how would derive VEV's of a a product of barred and unbarred fields like \langle 0|T\Psi_{\alpha}(x)\bar{\Psi}_{\beta}(y)|0\rangle as he computes at the end of ch42, with the above.

Thanks
 
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Because it is the path integral for a Majorana field. The third path integral you wrote down would apply to a Dirac field. The second has no meaning. The first (and Srednicki's one) is the one that applies to a Majorana field.

In a nutshell, a Majorana field is a more "basic" object than a Dirac field. A Dirac field is the (complex) sum of two Majorana fields. There is no notion of a "barred" majorana field -- barring the Majorana field operator gives you back the same operator!
 
But there is a notion of barred for Majorana, it is just that we have the Majorana condition too: \bar{\Psi}=\Psi^{T}\mathcal{C}, and in fact in ch42 Srednicki actually calculates the VEVs of various products of Majornana barred fields etc

I know from the previous chapters that a Majorana field is more basic as you say, and a Dirac field is like two of these objects, and in some sense this is why a Majorana field is analogous to a real scalar field, whereas the Dirac is analogous to a complex scalar field. But nevertheless you can bar Majorana fields and calculate various VEV products of them, and I can't see how one would do this from such a path integral.
 
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Could anyone say anything further about this?

Specifically I'm just wondering how one could calculate something like Srednicki's 42.19: i\langle 0|T\Psi_{\alpha}(x)\bar{\Psi}_{\beta}(y)|0\rangle =S(x-y)_{\alpha\beta}
which is for Majorna fields, from the functional integral Srednicki gives above.

thanks
 
You first compute with all psi's, and then change as many as you want to psibar's using the Majorana relation between psi and psibar. With Majorana fields (and sources), the barred fields are redundant, and therefore it is best to avoid using them.
 
I see, makes sense. Thanks a lot.
 

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