Making a metal based anti-freeze

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of a metal-based anti-freeze, specifically exploring the use of manganese (Mn) and its solubility in an aqueous state. Participants are examining the feasibility of using KMnO2 to achieve this and the implications of using metal suspensions in anti-freeze applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes formulating a completely liquid metal-based anti-freeze using manganese and questions its aqueous state when combined with KMnO2.
  • Another participant clarifies that the term "liquid metal" should refer to metal ions rather than a liquid metal itself, suggesting the need to consult solubility data.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the practicality of using metallic suspensions, noting that metals can clog systems like radiators and engine blocks.
  • Some participants challenge the understanding of KMnO2, emphasizing that it is a metal-ion compound and not a metal, and that a suspension of metal particles may not significantly affect the freezing point.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of KMnO2 and the concept of aqueous solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the proposed anti-freeze, with some clarifying terminology and others questioning the feasibility of using metal suspensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to formulating the anti-freeze.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the properties of KMnO2 and the effects of metal suspensions on freezing points, which are not fully explored.

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I'm trying to formulate an completely liquid metal-based anti-freeze.
I was thinking on using Mn, but I'm not sure whether it will stay in an aqueous state
After I adding KMnO2 to water to get the Mn in aqueous state.
Any help?
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You mean metal-ion, not liquid metal. Mercury is a liquid metal.

Anyway, I'd suggest you go look up the solubility data in the CRC handbook or wherever.

But why do you want to do this? And why KMnO2 specifically?
 
I think you mean supspension of small particles of metal in a liquid medium. Metals have a nasty habbit of sticking to other metals and clogging things up, like the surface of radiators and engine blocks. Certain metalic suspensions are use to plug radiator leaks. Why do you want a metalic supsension?
 
Phrak said:
I think you mean supspension of small particles of metal in a liquid medium.

Why would you think that? KMnO2 is a metal-ion compound, not a metal. (and 'aqueous' usually denotes the dissociated form if it's an ionic compound) A suspension of metal particles would have relatively little effect on the freezing point.
 
alxm said:
Why would you think that? KMnO2 is a metal-ion compound, not a metal. (and 'aqueous' usually denotes the dissociated form if it's an ionic compound) A suspension of metal particles would have relatively little effect on the freezing point.

My mistake. It was getting late
 

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