Making something 1% larger than something

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The discussion revolves around a problem from the Michelson-Morley experiment, specifically determining the ratio v/c that would make the time tACA 1% larger than the time tABA. The participants explore mathematical relationships and reasoning related to this scenario.

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  • One participant sets up an equation to find the ratio v/c, using the definitions of tACA and tABA. Others engage in a comparison of numerical values to clarify the concept of one quantity being 1% larger than another. There is also a suggestion to simplify the approach through substitution.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and alternative methods for approaching the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of computational tools and the importance of manual calculations in understanding the material.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem while adhering to homework constraints, including the need to derive results independently without relying solely on computational tools.

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Homework Statement



In the Michelson-Morley experiment
a) What would v/c have to be to make tACA 1% larger than tABA?

Homework Equations



t_{ACA} =\frac{2l}{c}\frac{1}{1 - v^2/c^2}

t_{ABA} =\frac{2l}{c}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I set up my equation is as follows.

I let x = v/c

t_{ACA} - \frac{1}{100}t_{ACA} = t_{ABA}

I plug in the equations, omitting 2l/c as it cancels, into wolfram alpha and it finds a value of x = sqrt(199)/100.

I then plug it into the calculations to check and find

t_{ACA} = 1.01989, t_{ABA} = 1.009899, \frac{1}{100}t_{ACA} = 0.010198

That is rather close to what I am looking for.

Is this the correct way to solve this type of mathematical problem?
 
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Let's say I have 2 barrels of apples - one labeled TABA and one labeled TACA.
If TACA has 100 apples and TABA has 99 apples, is that the same as if TACA has 101 apples and TABA has 100 apples?
 
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No, if Taca has 100 apples and Taba has 99 apples then 99.99 would be 1% larger than Taba.

If Taca has 101 apples and Taba has 100 apples then 101 would be 1% larger than 100 and indeed Taca is correct.
 
I guess I would write it like this:
If TACA = 100 and TABA = 99, then TACA/TABA = 1.0101 = 101.01%
If TACA = 101 and TABA = 100, then TACA/TABA = 1.0100 = 101.00%, making TACA 1% larger than TABA
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement



In the Michelson-Morley experiment
a) What would v/c have to be to make tACA 1% larger than tABA?

Homework Equations



t_{ACA} =\frac{2l}{c}\frac{1}{1 - v^2/c^2}

t_{ABA} =\frac{2l}{c}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I set up my equation is as follows.

I let x = v/c

t_{ACA} - \frac{1}{100}t_{ACA} = t_{ABA}

I plug in the equations, omitting 2l/c as it cancels, into wolfram alpha and it finds a value of x = sqrt(199)/100.

I then plug it into the calculations to check and find

t_{ACA} = 1.01989, t_{ABA} = 1.009899, \frac{1}{100}t_{ACA} = 0.010198

That is rather close to what I am looking for.

Is this the correct way to solve this type of mathematical problem?

Yes, but an even easier way would be to take ##\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2} = y##, so your equation becomes ##1/y^2 = 1.01/y## after cancelling the ##2l/c## as you did. Thus , ##y = 100/101##.

You really should AVOID using tools like Wolfram Alpha at this stage of your learning experience; doing much of the work by hand and then using computer assistance at the end (primarily for doing arithmetic) is the very best way to learn the material.
 
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Ah, that makes sense.

I should have made an easier substitution instead of trying to do the calculation in one big wolfram alpha enhanced step.
 

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