Male Bio Students Underestimate Female Peers

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Male biology students often underestimate the performance of their female peers, a bias that could impact female students' persistence in STEM fields due to a lack of peer support. The discussion highlights the need for further research to determine if this bias is consistent across other academic disciplines and institutions. While some participants express skepticism about the validity of studies on gender bias, others emphasize the importance of recognizing and addressing these biases to create a more equitable educational environment. The conversation also touches on broader societal issues regarding gender and educational attainment, suggesting that while women are earning more degrees, there is less focus on the challenges faced by men in education. Overall, the dialogue underscores the complexities of gender dynamics in academia and the necessity for ongoing examination and dialogue.
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The biases you refer to in family court are a huge problem and very unfair, but they to reflect prevailing attitudes towards gender in society as mothers are seen as more nurturing because of social expectations. I personally believe that real feminism is about empowering women and defying these stereotypes. Feminism is not just for women, it is also about improving the lives of men. Gender bias hurts everyone. For example, a lot of men struggle a lot getting help for mental illness because they feel it makes them weak. That's very harmful for society.

There is evidence that the comments you make about incarceration rates have a biological basis (the fact that gender has a biological basis is undeniable). Men are suspected to be more reckless and commit violent crimes for hormonal reasons.

It's hard to know why women choose not to go into fields like physics. It is likely that the percentage of women will never be equal. However, what we want to ensure is that everyone is treated the same and has the same opportunities regardless of their gender. This is not yet true. There have been studies that when women collaborate with men that people assume that the men did most of the work and get offered less money with the same qualifications. You may say this is anecdotal, but when there are so many anecdotes people should start to wonder why.

You seem to have a lot of distrust towards women. I'm not sure why, but I think it would help if you stepped back and tried to have more empathy for what women go through.
 
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  • #102
radium said:
You seem to have a lot of distrust towards women. I'm not sure why, but I think it would help if you stepped back and tried to have more empathy for what women go through.

Ditto for people like you who think only women suffer mistreatment and not seeing your side of the story aired. And for having to be so often demonized as the oppressor, when I am hardly getting by.
 
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I'm sorry that things aren't going well from you. I did not say men don't face hardships too, that was the point I made in the beginning of my post. But that doesn't mean sexism is not a real problem. It manifests itself in ways that harm both men and women. What I could consider to be real feminism does not demonize anyone it's about trying to grow as a society and there are both men and women dedicated to this cause.
I don't think this will change your mind so we can agree to disagree.
 
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radium said:
I'm sorry that things aren't going well from you. I did not say men don't face hardships too, that was the point I made in the beginning of my post. But that doesn't mean sexism is not a real problem. It manifests itself in ways that harm both men and women. What I could consider to be real feminism does not demonize anyone it's about trying to grow as a society and there are both men and women dedicated to this cause.
I don't think this will change your mind so we can agree to disagree.
I can only attest to the brand of feminism I have encountered; I allow for the possibility that there may be other brands that may be more like you describe.
 
  • #105
I would say feminism is like socialism, there are many varieties which lie on a spectrum. Some are practical and pragmatic, others are very radical and in my opinion distort and misrepresent the real message by thriving on anger and distrust.
This is unfortunately very similar to what we are seeing on both sides of US politics these days.
 
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  • #106
I do think, to an extent, women are discriminated against in academia. Currently, girls are outperforming boys in schools and, generally, more women are enrolled in university than men, so the future is in their favor. However, right now, STEM fields are still largely male dominated, and when you are a minority in any field, there is more pressure.

Particularly, in our culture, I do think men are sort of told to be very confident (as a result many overestimate their abilities) while women are generally told to be very humble (as a result, underestimating their abilities). Neither extreme is good.
 
  • #107
I would call myself a feminist (a practical one), in that I'd want equal treatment of both genders and I'd want my future daughter to have the same opportunities and be treated with the same respect as my future son.

Doesn't mean I'm super obsessed with political correctness, that I'm anti-men or that I ignore the issues that men exclusively face.

I think having the same exact androgynous standards (in careers, justice, dating, sexuality and so on) for both genders is the only way to move forward. No double standards - just fair flat standards for everybody.
 
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