Manipulation with the Dirac equation

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of the Dirac equation, specifically how to derive the equation ##(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi})\gamma^{\mu}=im\bar{\psi}## from the original Dirac equation. The scope includes theoretical aspects of quantum mechanics and the properties of Dirac matrices.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the Dirac equation as ##i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}\psi=m\psi## and seeks to derive a related equation.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step derivation involving Hermitean conjugation and the pseudo-hermiticity of the Dirac matrices, ultimately arriving at the equation ##-\mathrm{i} \partial_{\mu} \overline{\psi} \gamma^{\mu}=m \overline{\psi}##.
  • A third participant questions the relevance of the Lagrangian in transitioning from ##\psi## to ##\bar{\psi##, suggesting the original post may be a homework question.
  • Another participant challenges this by asking what the Lagrangian has to do with the definitions of the ##\gamma## matrices and bispinors.
  • A fifth participant notes that the Dirac equation is derived from the symmetrized Lagrangian density, implying a connection to the derivation sought by the original poster.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the Lagrangian to the derivation process. There is no consensus on whether the original question is appropriately categorized as a homework problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of the Dirac matrices and the context of the Lagrangian in relation to the Dirac equation.

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I know that the Dirac equation is ##i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}\psi=m\psi##.

How do I use this to show that ##(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi})\gamma^{\mu}=im\bar{\psi}##?
 
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First of all you have (in the usual standard representations of the Dirac matrices)
$$\gamma^{\mu \dagger}=\gamma^0 \gamma^{\mu} \gamma^0,$$
the "pseudo-hermitecity relation" and the definition
$$\overline{\psi}=\psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0.$$
So now take the Dirac equation and first apply Hermitean conjugation:
$$-\mathrm{i} \partial_{\mu} \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^{\mu \dagger}=m\psi^{\dagger}.$$
Now use ##(\gamma^0)^2=1## to first write on the left-hand side
$$-\mathrm{i} \partial_{\mu} \overline{\psi} \gamma^0 \gamma^{\mu \dagger} = m \psi^{\dagger}.$$
Finally multiply this equation with ##\gamma^0## and use the pseudo-hermitecity relation of the Dirac matrices to finally get the claimed equation:
$$-\mathrm{i} \partial_{\mu} \overline{\psi} \gamma^{\mu}=m \overline{\psi}.$$
 
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How do you get from Psi to Psi-bar in the absence of a symmetric Lagrangian? @vanhees71 this smells like a homework problem (incorrectly placed outside the HW section), so I wouldn't throw in the solution.
 
What has the Lagrangian to do with basic definitions of the ##\gamma## matrices and bispinors?
 
Well, the Dirac equation in line 1 is one of the two Euler-Lagrange equations for the symmetrized Lagrangian density. The other Euler-Lagrange equation is the one whose derivation he sought. Your solution is direct, I was trying to lead him there.
 
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