Mapping Class Group and Path-Component of Id.

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the mapping class group M(X) of a smooth, orientable manifold X, specifically focusing on the normality of the subgroup Aut_id(X) within the group Aut(X). Participants explore the implications of this normality condition and the necessity of Aut(X) being a topological group for certain results to hold.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines the mapping class group M(X) as the quotient of Aut(X) by Aut_id(X) and questions the normality of Aut_id(X) in Aut(X).
  • Another participant asserts that Aut_id(X) is normal in Aut(X) and provides a reasoning based on the composition of maps.
  • A different participant discusses the continuity of multiplication in the context of connected sets, suggesting that this property supports the normality condition.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the necessity of Aut(X) being a Lie group or topological group for the normality of Aut_id(X), questioning where this assumption is utilized in the arguments presented.
  • One participant emphasizes that the condition of Aut(X) being a topological group is needed for the results discussed, but notes uncertainty about its application in previous posts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the normality of Aut_id(X) in Aut(X) requires Aut(X) to be a topological group. There is no consensus on this point, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of this condition.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on the continuity of multiplication and properties of connected sets, but the specific assumptions and definitions required for the results to hold are not fully clarified.

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Hi, everyone:

Given a smooth, orientable manifold X, we turn Aut(X)
the collection of all self-diffeos. of X into
a topological space, by using the compact-open
topology. Aut(X) is also a group under composition.

The mapping class group M(X) of X is defined as the
quotient:

M(X):= Aut(X)/Aut_id(X)


where Aut_id(X) is the path-component of the
identity map --which coincides with the isotopy
class of IdX in the compact-open topology.
(group operation is composition, of course)


My question:
In order for M(X) to be a group, we must have
Aut_id(X) be a normal subgroup of X. How do we know
that Aut_id(X) is normal in X?. I think we need for
X to be a topological group or something, but I
am not sure.

Thanks For any Help.
 
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Eh? You need H:=Aut_id(X) to be normal in G:=Aut(X). I.e. gHg^{-1} < H for all g in G. And this is obvious since g o h o g^{-1} ~ g o id o g^{-1} = id.
 
since multiplication by a is continuous, if S is a connected set then so is aS. and so is aSa^-1. This seems to do it.
 
quasar987 said:
Eh? You need H:=Aut_id(X) to be normal in G:=Aut(X).

Right. My carelessness

I.e. gHg^{-1} < H for all g in G. And this is obvious since g o h o g^{-1} ~ g o id o g^{-1} = id.

I agree, Q, but what I am confused about is that I was told that Aut_idX is normal
in Aut(X) only when AutX is a Lie group or a topological group. And I don't see how
we need this assumption in your argument.

Maybe Wonk's reply: using the continuity of multiplication, which is part of the def. of Lie groups
or topological groups.
 
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Since 1 is in S, then also a.1.a^-1 = 1 is in aSa^-1. So aSa^-1, is a connected set containing 1. Thus aSa^-1 is a connected set that contains 1, hence it lies entirely in S. so S is normal.
 
Yes, but what I meant to say is that , AFAIK, we need the condition of
Aut(X) being a topological group for the result to hold, and I did not see
where that assumption was being used in Quasar's post.
 

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