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The discussion revolves around the properties and definitions of similitude mappings, particularly in the context of similarity transformations in geometry. Participants explore various statements regarding fixed points, compositions of transformations, and the nature of different types of mappings, including reflections, rotations, and scalings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a similitude mapping with exactly one fixed point is a scaling, while others argue that it could also be a composition of scaling and rotation or glide reflection.
  • There is uncertainty about the definition of similitude mappings, with some participants questioning whether they are congruence transformations, isometries, or similarity transformations.
  • Participants discuss the implications of having more than one fixed point in similitude mappings, suggesting that it may indicate a fixed line or plane.
  • Some participants assert that the composition of two rotations results in a rotation only under certain conditions, specifically when the sum of the angles is a multiple of \(2\pi\).
  • There is a proposal that all mappings with more than one fixed point must be reflections, but this claim is met with questions about the nature of other transformations.
  • Discussions arise about the distinction between similarity transformations and affine transformations, with some participants noting that similarity transformations preserve shape while affine transformations may not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and properties of similitude mappings, with no consensus reached on several key points, including the nature of fixed points and the classification of transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of multiple fixed points and the categorization of transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and properties of transformations may depend on specific mathematical contexts and assumptions, which are not fully explored in the discussion. There is also mention of potential ambiguities in defining identity transformations in relation to other mappings.

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Hey! :o

I want to check whether the following statements are correct. At each statement I wrote my idea/question:

  1. A similitude mapping with exactly one fixed point is a scaling.

    A similitude mapping is a scaling, or a composition of scaling and rotation or a composition of scaling and glide reflection, right? The composition of scaling and rotation has also a fixed point (which is the same fixed point for the rotation and the scaling). So, the statement is wrong.
  2. Similitude mappings $\neq id$ with more than one fixed point are reflections.

    For this one I don't have an idea.
  3. The composition of two rotations with rotation angle $a$ and $b$ is a rotation iff $a+b=k\cdot 2\pi, k\in \mathbb{Z}$.

    I have shown that $R(a)R(b)=R(a+b)$. When we have that $a+b=k\cdot 2\pi$ do we not get again at the same point as at the beginning. So, is it then the identity?
  4. For each line $g$ and each similitude mapping $\kappa$ it holds that $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}=\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$.

    Unfortunately, also for this one I don't have an idea.
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

I want to check whether the following statements are correct. At each statement I wrote my idea/question:

1. A similitude mapping with exactly one fixed point is a scaling.

A similitude mapping is a scaling, or a composition of scaling and rotation or a composition of scaling and glide reflection, right? The composition of scaling and rotation has also a fixed point (which is the same fixed point for the rotation and the scaling). So, the statement is wrong.

What's a similitude mapping?
Googling for it, I can't really find anything.
Is it perchance a congruence transformation or isometry?
Oh wait! Is it an affinity transformation or similarity transformation? (Wondering)

Anyway, indeed, a rotation has 1 fixed point, so the statement is wrong.

mathmari said:
2. Similitude mappings $\neq id$ with more than one fixed point are reflections.

For this one I don't have an idea.

What are the fixed points of each of the different types of mappings? (Wondering)

mathmari said:
3. The composition of two rotations with rotation angle $a$ and $b$ is a rotation iff $a+b=k\cdot 2\pi, k\in \mathbb{Z}$.

I have shown that $R(a)R(b)=R(a+b)$. When we have that $a+b=k\cdot 2\pi$ do we not get again at the same point as at the beginning. So, is it then the identity?

Yep.
Therefore it is not a rotation.

mathmari said:
4. For each line $g$ and each similitude mapping $\kappa$ it holds that $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}=\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$.

Unfortunately, also for this one I don't have an idea.

Let's first establish what a similitude mapping is supposed to represent. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
What's a similitude mapping?
Googling for it, I can't really find anything.
Is it perchance a congruence transformation or isometry?
Oh wait! Is it an affinity transformation or similarity transformation? (Wondering)

Ah it is similarity transformation.
I like Serena said:
What are the fixed points of each of the different types of mappings? (Wondering)

If there are more fixed points, does it mean that a whole line is fixed? (Wondering)
I like Serena said:
Therefore it is not a rotation.

Can we not consider it as a rotation with angle $0^{\circ}$ ? (Wondering)
I like Serena said:
Let's first establish what a similitude mapping is supposed to represent. (Thinking)

By the similarity mapping of a point do we get the same point? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
If there are more fixed points, does it mean that a whole line is fixed?

I think so yes... unless the whole plane is fixed.

mathmari said:
Can we not consider it as a rotation with angle $0^{\circ}$ ?

Sure we can. What do your notes say? (Wondering)

Note that if we do that, then we should also consider for instance a reflection a glide reflection (with a translation of 0).
And identity would be ambiguous, since it could be either a rotation (with angle 0), or a translation (with vector 0), or just identity.
So I'm used to making the distinction, and treating identity as distinct from a rotation, and also distinct from a translation.

mathmari said:
By the similitude mapping of a point do we get the same point? (Wondering)

Not generally.

As for the statement at hand, suppose G is a point on the line g.
Then $\sigma(G)=G$, isn't it?
It would be a fixed point after all.

Would $\kappa(G)$ be a fixed point of $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$? (Wondering)
Oh, and if you don't mind, I'll rename the thread to 'Mappings - Similarity transformations'. (Malthe)
 
I like Serena said:
As for the statement at hand, suppose G is a point on the line g.
Then $\sigma(G)=G$, isn't it?
It would be a fixed point after all.

Would $\kappa(G)$ be a fixed point of $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$? (Wondering)

Yes, $\kappa(G)$ be a fixed point of $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$, since:
$$\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}(\kappa(G))=\kappa\circ\sigma\circ(\kappa^{-1}\kappa(G))=\kappa\circ\sigma (G)=\kappa (G)$$
I like Serena said:
Oh, and if you don't mind, I'll rename the thread to 'Mappings - Similarity transformations'. (Malthe)

Sure! (Yes)
 
$\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$ is the reflection along $\kappa(g)$.

$\kappa(g)$ is the similar mapping the line $g$.

$\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}=\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$ means that every $\kappa (G)$ with $g\in G$ is a fixed point for $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$ since $\kappa (G)$ is a fixed point for that reflection, right? (Wondering)
mathmari said:
2. Similitude mappings $\neq id$ with more than one fixed point are reflections.

So, if we have more than on fixed point, a whole line or plane is fixed.

But why can we have only reflections? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Yes, $\kappa(G)$ be a fixed point of $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$, since:
$$\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}(\kappa(G))=\kappa\circ\sigma\circ(\kappa^{-1}\kappa(G))=\kappa\circ\sigma (G)=\kappa (G)$$

mathmari said:
$\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$ is the reflection along $\kappa(g)$.

$\kappa(g)$ is the similar mapping the line $g$.

$\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}=\sigma_{\kappa(g)}$ means that every $\kappa (G)$ with $g\in G$ is a fixed point for $\kappa\circ\sigma\circ\kappa^{-1}$ since $\kappa (G)$ is a fixed point for that reflection, right?

Yep. And similarities have the property that they map a line to a line.
mathmari said:
So, if we have more than on fixed point, a whole line or plane is fixed.

But why can we have only reflections?

What else could it be?
Scalings, translations, rotations, and glide reflections all have 0 or 1 fixed point.
In theory there could a composition of them (including reflections) that also has a fixed line, but I don't think there is one. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
What else could it be?
Scalings, translations, rotations, and glide reflections all have 0 or 1 fixed point.
In theory there could a composition of them (including reflections) that also has a fixed line, but I don't think there is one. (Thinking)

Similarity transformations are the scalings, translations, rotations, glide reflections and rflections and their compositions, right? (Wondering)

What exactly is the difference between an affine transformation and a similarity transformation? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Similarity transformations are the scalings, translations, rotations, glide reflections and reflections and their compositions, right? (Wondering)

Yes. And I propose to include identity as a separate transformation (all points are fixed, which is not the case for 'real' rotations and translations).

mathmari said:
What exactly is the difference between an affine transformation and a similarity transformation? (Wondering)

A similarity transformation preserves the shape of objects, but they can be rotated, translated, reflected, or scaled.
All similarity transformations are affine transformations.
However, affine transformations include also for instance shear transformations, that do change the shape of the object.

Mathematically, the similarity transformations are exactly those transformations that can be written as $\mathbf x \mapsto rA\mathbf x + \mathbf b$, where the scaling factor $r$ is any positive real number, $A$ is any orthogonal transformation, and $\mathbf b$ is any translation vector.
Affine transformations are $\mathbf x\mapsto M\mathbf x + \mathbf b$, where $M$ is any linear transformation, and $\mathbf b$ is any translation vector. (Nerd)
 
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I like Serena said:
Yes. And I propose to include identity as a separate transformation (all points are fixed, which is not the case for 'real' rotations and translations).
A similarity transformation preserves the shape of objects, but they can be rotated, translated, reflected, or scaled.
All similarity transformations are affine transformations.
However, affine transformations include also for instance shear transformations, that do change the shape of the object.

Mathematically, the similarity transformations are exactly those transformations that can be written as $\mathbf x \mapsto rA\mathbf x + \mathbf b$, where the scaling factor $r$ is any positive real number, $A$ is any orthogonal transformation, and $\mathbf b$ is any translation vector.
Affine transformations are $\mathbf x\mapsto M\mathbf x + \mathbf b$, where $M$ is any linear transformation, and $\mathbf b$ is any translation vector. (Nerd)
I understand! Thank you so much! (Yes)
 

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