Marilyn Monroe: Iconic Symbol of America

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The discussion centers around the cultural significance of Marilyn Monroe in America, exploring her appeal as an actress and sex symbol, as well as the reasons behind her lasting impact on American society. Participants examine her roles, public persona, and the circumstances surrounding her life and death.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Monroe's beauty and status as a sex symbol contributed to her iconic status, despite opinions on her acting talent being mixed.
  • One participant notes that her association with President Kennedy and her untimely death may have contributed to her enduring legacy.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that Monroe's characters exuded a unique blend of sexuality and vulnerability, appealing to male desires for both seduction and protection.
  • There is a challenge regarding the interpretation of Monroe's appeal, with some questioning the emotional connections that others claim she evoked.
  • Participants express differing views on the quality of her acting, with some recalling specific performances that surprised them.
  • One participant suggests that the interest in Monroe may stem from a deeper personal reflection on cultural phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on Monroe's appeal and significance, with no clear consensus on her acting abilities or the reasons for her iconic status. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the emotional and cultural implications of her legacy.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal interpretations and emotional responses to Monroe's image and roles, which may not be universally understood or agreed upon.

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long I wanted to ask someone from the Americans. What was Marilyn Monroe for America? She was beautiful but not the most beautiful one among the American actresses. She also was not most talented. So why did the whole nation go mad from her? How she became one of the symbols of USA?
 
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That was before my time. My understanding is that she was a so-so actress who was beautiful, became a sex symbol, and did the very first Playboy centerfold. She was also known to have a close association with President Kennedy. She died young due to an over dose, which helped to immortalize her.

Apparently she captured the hearts of many young men. The Playboy photo probably cemented that legend. An old friend of mine had that centerfold on his garage wall 25 years later.
 
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I think her appeal was obvious: she exuded sexuality without seeming to be aware she was exuding it. The characters she played seemed to have no idea of the powerful effect they were having on the men in the scene. She strongly and simultaneously appealed to two male drives: to seduce and yet also to protect from harm. The fact those two things are nearly mutually exclusive, just made the hook dig in all that deeper. She put men in a position where they simultaneously wanted to be her angel and her devil.
 
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zoobyshoe said:
I think her appeal was obvious: she exuded sexuality without seeming to be aware she was exuding it. The characters she played seemed to have no idea of the powerful effect they were having on the men in the scene. She strongly and simultaneously appealed to two male drives: to seduce and yet also to protect from harm. The fact those two things are nearly mutually exclusive, just made the hook dig in all that deeper. She put men in a position where they simultaneously wanted to be her angel and her devil.
Very well said.
 
She will never be forgotten. :oldcool:

 
zoobyshoe said:
and yet also to protect from harm.

How did she convey or exude this and where did you get this? I don't think anyone was thinking of their mother.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
How did she convey or exude this and where did you get this? I don't think anyone was thinking of their mother.
I think if that's something you don't get emotionally, no explanation is ever going to really get you there.
 
maybe you could ask yourself why you are asking this question. obviously she interests you in some way. that might answer your question.
 
I remember her death being in the news. But I was young and don't remember much else.
Ivan Seeking said:
My understanding is that she was a so-so actress...
That is true, but I remember watching one of her movies many decades ago, I think it was "The Misfits", where I was a little surprised at the quality of her acting. That was one of her later movies though, maybe her last one, I'm not sure.
 
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Ivan Seeking said:
zoobyshoe said:
and yet also to protect from harm
How did she convey or exude this and where did you get this? I don't think anyone was thinking of their mother.
You're having some kind of reading comprehension issue, Ivan. Here's the whole sentence again:
zoobyshoe said:
She strongly and simultaneously appealed to two male drives: to seduce and yet also to protect from harm.
I'm saying Marilyn caused men to want to simultaneously, 1.) seduce her, but also, 2.) protect her from harm. I am not saying she wanted to protect them from harm, as you seem to think I said.
 
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mathwonk said:
maybe you could ask yourself why you are asking this question. obviously she interests you in some way. that might answer your question.
She interests me as a cultural phenomenon, Dr. Freud.
 
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