Mass of Atom in a Mass Spectrometer

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The discussion revolves around determining the mass of doubly ionized atoms using data from a mass spectrometer, including magnetic field strength, charge, radius, and potential difference. The subject area includes concepts from electromagnetism and kinematics as they relate to mass spectrometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rearrange the charge-to-mass ratio equation but expresses uncertainty about their algebraic manipulation. They also question the validity of their results, which they find to be unexpectedly small.
  • Some participants inquire about the derivation of the formula used and discuss the relationship between kinetic energy and the forces acting on the ion in the mass spectrometer.
  • Others suggest substituting expressions for velocity based on energy considerations to aid in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the calculations and clarifying the relationships between the physical quantities involved. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the equations and their derivations, but no consensus has been reached on the final solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses limitations in their understanding of both physics and algebra, which may affect their ability to solve the problem independently. There is a focus on ensuring that units are correctly applied in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A mass spectrometer yields the following data for a beam of doubly ionized atoms of a single element.

B = 8.0*10^-2 T
q = 2(1.60*10^-19 C)
r = 0.077 m
V = 156 V

I am asked to solve for Mass (m) in kg.

Homework Equations


q/m=((2V)/((B^2)*(r^2)))

I am only partially sure that this is the correct equation. It is the equation for the "Charge-to-Mass Ratio of an Ion in a Mass Spectrometer".


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to rearange the equation, but my Algebra skills aren't very good. This is what I ended up with:

m=q/(2V)/((B^2)*(r^2))

I tried to work this out with my calculator, but my answer was incorrect.

The number I got was very small: ~3.89*10^-28

EDIT:

Tried to use this instead: m=(q(B^2)(r^2))/(2V)

Still, my answer was far too small, at ~3.89*10^-26


My comprehension of both Physics and Algebra is limited at best. I would really appreciate some help. Thank you.
 
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Show how do you calculate. And do not forget the units. What do you think, how much is the mass of an atom in kg-s?

Your original formula is :

\frac{q}{m}=\frac{2V}{r^2 B^2}

Plug in the numbers and simplify.
ehild
 
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I was wondering how you guys obtained that formula.
 
The ion is accelerated by an electric field. Flying through a potential difference V, it gains kinetic energy equal to qV

1/2 mv^2=qV.

It enters into the chamber of the mass spectrometer, where the magnetic field is perpendicular to the velocity. The magnetic force is

F=qvB.

This is a constant force, normal to the velocity, so the ion will move along a circle of radius R.
The centripetal force for the circular motion is equal to the force of the magnetic field:

(*) mv^2/R = qvB

but you know that mv^2= 2qV, so

2qV=RqvB --->v=2V/(RB).

(*) can be written as q/m=v/(RB). Plug in the expression for v.

ehild
 
oh ok that makes sense. I hadn't thought of kinetic energy/work relationship as a way to substitute for speed. thanks!
 

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