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The discussion revolves around vector problems in physics, specifically focusing on the interpretation and application of trigonometric functions in determining distances in different directional contexts. The original poster presents two questions involving a car and a ship, both requiring an understanding of angles and vector components.

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  • The original poster questions the use of cosine functions with different angles in the context of the problems, seeking clarification on why certain angles are used instead of others. Participants discuss the relationship between the angles given in the problems and the corresponding components of the vectors.

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Some participants have provided explanations regarding the angles used in the cosine functions, suggesting that drawing displacement vectors may clarify the reasoning. The original poster expresses understanding after receiving feedback, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is mention of a potential gap in foundational knowledge regarding trigonometric concepts among students, which may affect their ability to solve such problems. The discussion also touches on different teaching approaches to these concepts.

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I am currently reading this "the easy way" physics textbook. I have this problem to be kind of confusing. The confusion I have is posted below:

Question A: You drive a car 45 miles in a direction north 30 Degree West. How much farther west are you ?
Explanation for answer is given like this: 45cos(60deg) = 22.5 = 23 m farther to west.

Question B: A sailor's compass says that the ship is traveling North 55 degree West and the ship sextant says that at the end of 6.0 hours the ship is 35 miles farther north. How fast is he going?
Explanation for answer is given like this: displacement = 35cos(55deg) mi = 61 mile

So my question is why is there 45cos(60deg) ? why not 45cos(30deg) ? and why in the second question, there is 35cos(55deg). For the first one 30 deg is given not 60 and second one it uses same 55 deg as given why? can you clarify this to me? thank you so much everything. This is my first question in this fourm
 
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cdahal said:
I am currently reading this "the easy way" physics textbook.
Which easy way text?
Question A: You drive a car 45 miles in a direction north 30 Degree West. How much farther west are you ?
Explanation for answer is given like this: 45cos(60deg) = 22.5 = 23 m farther to west.

... why is there 45cos(60deg) ? why not 45cos(30deg)
Because the direction of the car is not 30 degrees to the north direction, which is 60 degrees from the west direction.
Question B: A sailor's compass says that the ship is traveling North 55 degree West and the ship sextant says that at the end of 6.0 hours the ship is 35 miles farther north. How fast is he going?
Explanation for answer is given like this: displacement = 35cos(55deg) mi = 61 mile

...why is there is 35cos(55deg). For the first one 30 deg is given not 60 and second one it uses same 55 deg as given why? can you clarify this to me? thank you so much everything. This is my first question in this fourm
Because the questions are referring to different directions.

It is clearer if you draw the displacement vector.

For the first one - the car is went 45miles in direction 30deg west of north.
The car's displacement vector makes a 30 degree angle to the NORTH direction and a 90-30=60 degree angle to the WEST direction. The question wants the distance along the WEST direction so you use the 60 degree angle with cosine.

For the second one, the ship is traveling 55deg west of north.
The displacement vector makes 55 degree angle to the NORTH direction and a 90-55=35 degrees to the WEST direction. (Also 90+55=145 degrees anticlockwise from the EAST direction... and so on.)

The question gives you the distance traveled in the NORTH direction.
They want the speed: v=d/t, you know that t=6hrs
This means that 35=d.cos(55) so d=35/cos(55).

In general, the amount of a vector v in direction of vector u is v.u/|u| = |v|cosθ
 
I think none of these kind of problems would exist if students were taught trigonometric circle in high school, which they were not (at least in the UK).
 
Thank you Simon. I finally understood it.
 
xAxis said:
I think none of these kind of problems would exist if students were taught trigonometric circle in high school, which they were not (at least in the UK).
I know what you mean, I teach both ways - the different approaches appeal to different people.

cdahal said:
Thank you Simon. I finally understood it.
Great.

Being able to sketch things out is a core skill in physics - see that you get lots of practice.
BTW: if you have trouble with trig, have a look through this:
http://mathmistakes.info/facts/TrigFacts/learn/uc/uc.html
 

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