Mastering Archery Adjustments: Solving for B with Known Variables A, C, and D

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a transcendental equation related to archery adjustments, specifically finding the angle B as a function of known variables A, C, and D. The context includes algebraic manipulation and the application of mathematical techniques to aid archers in determining their point of aim for varying shot angles.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Seth, expresses difficulty in rearranging the equation to isolate B and seeks assistance in making B a function of A, C, and D.
  • Another participant mentions they could not simplify the equation further than a specific form involving functions of B.
  • A later reply suggests that the equation is transcendental and proposes two potential solutions for B, while noting the importance of context in selecting the appropriate root.
  • Another participant recommends isolating cos B and transforming tan B into a form involving cos B, indicating that this approach leads to a quadratic equation in cos²B.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of solving for B, indicating that the problem is not trivial and appreciates the insights shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that solving for B is complex and not straightforward. Multiple approaches to the problem are discussed, but no consensus on a single method or solution is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation's solvability may depend on certain conditions, such as D/cos(A) not being zero. The discussion also highlights the potential need to consider different cases based on the domain of B.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical modeling in archery, algebraic manipulation, and those seeking to understand the complexities of solving transcendental equations in practical applications.

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Hi,

It seems I've forgotten more of my algebra than I thought. I am putting together a spreadsheet to help a few archers determine how to change their point of aim for up- and downhill shots. I would like to reduce/rearrange the following expression so that A and B are not found on the same side of the equality, but after 30 minutes can't seem to do it. Ideally, I would like B to be a function of A,C, and D which are known in this setting. Any help is appreciated, even more so if the steps are sketched. -Seth

tan (A) = tan (B) - (9.8*cos(A)*C)/(2*(cos(B)*D)2)
 
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I couldn't solve for B, I could get it to the form

f(B) = C / g(B)

but not any simpler.
 
wvguy8258 said:
Hi,

It seems I've forgotten more of my algebra than I thought. I am putting together a spreadsheet to help a few archers determine how to change their point of aim for up- and downhill shots. I would like to reduce/rearrange the following expression so that A and B are not found on the same side of the equality, but after 30 minutes can't seem to do it. Ideally, I would like B to be a function of A,C, and D which are known in this setting. Any help is appreciated, even more so if the steps are sketched. -Seth

tan (A) = tan (B) - (9.8*cos(A)*C)/(2*(cos(B)*D)2)

Surprisingly this is a transcendental equation that appears to be solvable, (as long as D/cos(A) is not zero).

The solutions are:

B = (1/2)*(asin(9.8*C*(cos(A))^2/D^2+sin(A))+A)

and

B = (1/2)*(-asin(9.8*C*(cos(A))^2/D^2+sin(A))+A-pi())

You will have to determine which root makes sense in your context.

If that fails use:

C = (tan(B)-tan(A))*2*(cos(B)*D)^2/(9.8*cos(A))

and use the goalseek function of your spreadsheet to find the value of B that gives you the known value of C.
 
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If you want a go at it yourself, try isolating cos B, while remembering that tan B = sin B / cos B = +-root(1-cos ^2B)/cos B. The sign depends on B, but you will have to take care of that yourself. This will probably end up in a quadratic in cos ^2B, which you can then solve for and after that isolate B. Depending on the domain of B, you might have to consider several cases.
 
Thanks everyone. I feel a little better now that I see solving for B was not extremely trivial. This will be very helpful.
 
Jarle said:
If you want a go at it yourself, try isolating cos B, while remembering that tan B = sin B / cos B = +-root(1-cos ^2B)/cos B. The sign depends on B, but you will have to take care of that yourself. This will probably end up in a quadratic in cos ^2B, which you can then solve for and after that isolate B. Depending on the domain of B, you might have to consider several cases.
I can confirm that the equation does end up as a quadratic in (cos(B))^2. Nice key observation that tan B can be turned into cos B form, that makes the equation solvable!

BTW wvguy, does the equation appear to work all right?
 
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