Mastering Calculus: Tips for Success from a High School Math Prodigy

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The discussion revolves around the considerations and preparations for self-teaching calculus, particularly for a high school student transitioning to university-level mathematics. Participants explore the necessity of reviewing foundational concepts such as algebra and statistics, as well as recommendations for textbooks and resources for learning calculus and physics.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to review material or proceed directly to calculus, noting comfort with many mathematical concepts but some gaps in permutations, combinations, and probability.
  • Another participant suggests that basic statistics will not be heavily featured in a standard calculus course and recommends resources like Khan Academy for reviewing algebra and pre-calculus material.
  • Some participants mention that working ahead in calculus is beneficial and recommend the MIT open courseware as a solid resource.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of Spivak's "Calculus" as a textbook, with mixed feelings about its accessibility for beginners.
  • A later reply questions the necessity of mastering algebra-based physics before tackling calculus-based physics, suggesting that a strong grasp of calculus may suffice for success in introductory physics courses.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding units and proportionality in physics, indicating that algebra-based physics could help develop a proper mindset for tackling calculus-based problems.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of foundational knowledge in algebra and the potential benefits of working ahead in calculus. However, there are differing opinions on the necessity of mastering algebra-based physics before moving on to calculus-based physics, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.

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Some participants note that the transition from pre-calculus to calculus may vary by university, and there is uncertainty regarding the depth of review required for various mathematical concepts before starting calculus.

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Hello all, I'm wondering if I should start self-teaching calculus. I got 95% in math 12 but I am not sure if I should review the material or move on to calculus. I will be in first year in September so I want to make sure I'm ready or best case I want to be ahead. I've read a lot of posts here saying to master algebra first or at least be comfortable with the material before jumping into calculus. The only thing I'm not as comfortable with is permutations and combinations, also probability. I am very comfortable with graphs, trig, logs &exponentials. Will there be a review of all of these concepts when I take Cal I and II? Should I review everything before starting calculus? btw I am going to be going through the MIT open courseware Calculus I over the next few months, I also have Calculus made easy - Thompson, and Quick Calculus - Kleppner for references. Anymore recommendations? ( if there are any other helpful/"must have" calculus textbooks I'm open to suggestions )

Thanks in advance!
 
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jimmyly said:
I am very comfortable with graphs, trig, logs &exponentials
Thanks in advance!

You should be set. You won't really see any statistics in a basic three-semester Calculus course. (Not that brushing up on your statistics isn't very important). You could always visit a place like Khanacademy to see if you are up to par with the algebra and pre-calculus material. It really depends on how your university handles the pre-calc to calc transition.

Many people will suggest Spivak's "Calculus" as a great book, but I found it a bit too intimidating at first. Later, I used that book for a course on Analysis! The typical Calc books that a university would use are things like Stewart.

To add to that: It never hurts to work ahead. Following the opencourseware Calculus series is a great idea. Don't rely on khanacademy too much to teach you Calculus though, I found their videos after pre-calc to contain a bit less information than they should.
 
QuarkCharmer said:
You should be set. You won't really see any statistics in a basic three-semester Calculus course. (Not that brushing up on your statistics isn't very important). You could always visit a place like Khanacademy to see if you are up to par with the algebra and pre-calculus material. It really depends on how your university handles the pre-calc to calc transition.

Many people will suggest Spivak's "Calculus" as a great book, but I found it a bit too intimidating at first. Later, I used that book for a course on Analysis! The typical Calc books that a university would use are things like Stewart.

To add to that: It never hurts to work ahead. Following the opencourseware Calculus series is a great idea. Don't rely on khanacademy too much to teach you Calculus though, I found their videos after pre-calc to contain a bit less information than they should.

Hello, Thanks for the response. I also have stewart on e-book as well!

Also, I didn't want to make a different post, is it optimal to master algebra based physics before starting calculus based physics? I can't find a good algebra physics book that isn't just plug and chug like gioncoli. Don't get me wrong, I like the practice in it, I just want something that will help me develop conceptually because my math and problem solving isn't a big problem. Thanks again!
 
jimmyly said:
Hello, Thanks for the response. I also have stewart on e-book as well!

Also, I didn't want to make a different post, is it optimal to master algebra based physics before starting calculus based physics? I can't find a good algebra physics book that isn't just plug and chug like gioncoli. Don't get me wrong, I like the practice in it, I just want something that will help me develop conceptually because my math and problem solving isn't a big problem. Thanks again!

I'm sure Algebra-based physics is important to some degree, but it's usually just a more generalized form of it's calculus-based counterpart. I wouldn't sweat it too much. If you are a master of calculus, the first two intro physics courses with calc at a university level will be no problem for you. Focus on developing abilities with calculus. I didn't even take non-calc physics at all, but after my first semester of calc-physics I could solve any problem from such texts with ease.

edit: I should mention that I think that algebra-based physics is a fairly good way to get students into the proper mindset. Teach them about units and the "proportionality statement" that often goes hand in hand with every physics law ever. To some this is obvious, but I can see how it might benefit others. So don't take my post as a discredit.
 
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