Mastering Circular Motion: Tips for Solving Conservation of Energy Problems

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving circular motion and the conservation of energy, specifically focusing on a bead moving along a circular path. Participants are exploring the relationships between kinetic and potential energy as the bead moves through different points in its trajectory.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss drawing free-body diagrams to identify forces acting on the bead and apply Newton's second law. There are attempts to express velocity as a function of angle using conservation of energy equations. Questions arise about how to determine height in relation to the circular motion and the use of trigonometric relationships.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on drawing diagrams and applying conservation of energy principles. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate different velocities and the geometry of the situation, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating through potential confusion regarding variable notation and the geometric relationships in the problem setup. There is a mention of needing to visualize the problem better through drawings to aid understanding.

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Not really sure where to start with this. I know it has something to do with conservation of energy but not really sure how to go about it.
 

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Given that the bead moves along a circle. What is the resultant force acting on it? Draw the free-body diagram.

ehild
 
Start by drawing a free-body diagram on the bead, labeling all forces, and writing out Newton's second law for the radial direction. It should include "v" somewhere, which you can find using the conservation of energy.

EDIT: oops, edit conflict with ehild
 
hi steejk! :wink:

start by writing the conservation of energy equation to find v as a function of θ …

what do you get? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi steejk! :wink:

start by writing the conservation of energy equation to find v as a function of θ …

what do you get? :smile:

Ok so at bottom TE = KE = 0.5mu

And at point B TE = 0.5mv² + mgh = 0.5mu²

How can I work out h?
 
steejk said:
Ok so at bottom TE = KE = 0.5mu^2

And at point B TE = 0.5mu^2 - mgh

Use different symbols for the two velocities; the "u" in your second equation is different from the "u" in your first equation.

How can I work out h?

You can relate it to r and theta using some trigonometry.
 
ideasrule said:
Use different symbols for the two velocities; the "u" in your second equation is different from the "u" in your first equation.

Sorry :smile:

ideasrule said:
You can relate it to r and theta using some trigonometry.

Hmm. I know its probably something obvious but I'm not getting it. :redface:

What would acosθ equal?
 
steejk said:
What would acosθ equal?

cos = adj/hyp

sin = opp/hyp

tan= opp/adj :wink:
 
steejk said:
Hmm. I know its probably something obvious but I'm not getting it. :redface:

What would acosθ equal?

Believe me: your life would be much easier with a drawing. From it, you would see at once how the initial speed is related with the one at angle theta, and how to get it. And you could find out the normal force from a free body diagram at the position labelled with theta.

ehild
 
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ehild said:
Believe me: your life would be much easier with a drawing. From it, you would see at once how the initial speed is related with the one at angle theta, and how to get it. And you could find out the normal force from a free body diagram at the position labelled with theta.

ehild

Okay so from my diagram does N = (mu^2)/a + mgcosθ?
 
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tiny-tim said:
cos = adj/hyp

sin = opp/hyp

tan= opp/adj :wink:

But where is the right angle triangle?
 
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ah, sometimes you have to draw the right-angled triangle yourself! :smile:

draw a horizontal line from B, meeting OA at D …

then OBD is a right-angled triangle

the angle at O is θ

hyp (hypotenuse) is the long side, OB, = a

adj (adjacent) is the side next to θ, OD (the height of O above B)

so cosθ = adj/hyp = OD/a :wink:
 

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