Material to resist punch-through by metal rods

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of determining the strongest material that could be penetrated by two long rods, each supporting a weight of 88,110 Kg, dropped from a height of 200 meters. The focus is on the impact dynamics and penetration capabilities of various materials under these conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify the scenario involves a single weight of 88,110 Kg supported by two rods, which cannot move apart.
  • Others calculate the kinetic energy involved, estimating it to be around 345 MJ based on the weight and height of the drop.
  • A participant compares the impact to that of two Panther tanks being dropped, suggesting significant penetration potential into various materials.
  • There is speculation about the penetration capabilities of the rods, with one participant suggesting it could penetrate through any thickness of concrete or steel typically encountered.
  • Another participant references the penetration capabilities of a historical bomb, noting it could penetrate 16 feet of concrete, but does not specify if this is reinforced.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the scenario and calculations, leading to some confusion. There is no consensus on the exact penetration capabilities or how to calculate them accurately.

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Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the weight of the rods and their impact on the overall calculations. The discussion remains open regarding the specifics of material properties and penetration mechanics.

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TL;DR Summary: What would be the strongest material such pair of rods be able to punch through if the bottom of the rods was at 200 m from sea level and a platform with the strong material was at sea level, with 88,110 Kg on top of the rods?

The following is just for fun, it doesn't need to be precise, just not far off, eg < 20% off the precise answer. Although I assume the formula is at the intermediate level, I'm assuming the material is advanced level. Imagine you had 2 long rods of incredibly strong material, that weight almost nothing, and could not move from one another (as there was some super-strong magnetic field making one move when the other moved), which had the shape of the average men shoe separated and in the same placement as an average men would, what would be the strongest material such pair of rods be able to punch through if the bottom of the rods was at 200 m from sea level and a platform with the strong material was at sea level, with 88,110 Kg on top of the rods, eg 5 m of titanium?

I think the formula of such situation could be answered at intermediate level but to find out the material it would be advanced, hence me choosing the latter. This is about RoR-guy power : rigsofrods from which a video will soon be added as 2nd update and it would be nice to have the answer to this in that update.

Thank you for your consideration
 
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I THINK you're asking that if we have two weights of 88 metric tons fall from 200 meters, each hitting with the footprint of the average person's shoes, how far could it penetrate. Is that right?
 
Drakkith said:
I THINK you're asking that if we have two weights of 88 metric tons fall from 200 meters, each hitting with the footprint of the average person's shoes, how far could it penetrate. Is that right?
No a single weight and the rods cannot move apart from one another, they cannot spread apart neither taper, neither one being lower than the other if straight up.
 
So basically a 176 ton person falling from 200 meters.

That's about 345 MJ of kinetic energy packed into 200 cm2 of impact area. That's... a lot.
 
Drakkith said:
So basically a 176 ton person falling from 200 meters.
What?! 1 weight, 2 rods, look:
1_weight_2_rods.png

The weight is 88,110 Kg.
 
berkeman said:
So 97 tons according to an on-line calculator. So not so far off. And what about the weight of the rods? How much does that add?
Pretty much nothing
DynV said:
2 long rods of incredibly strong material, that weight almost nothing,
 
phinds said:
Pretty much nothing
 
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DynV said:
What?! 1 weight, 2 rods,
My mistake. Just divide the energy in half to get 172.5 MJ and 5.5 million kg*m/s of momentum in 200 square centimeters. Still quite a lot. That's essentially 2 Panther tanks being dropped.

While I don't know the details of how to calculate exactly how far the two rods would penetrate various materials, I can certainly say it would penetrate through any thickness of concrete or steel you're likely to find out in your everyday life. You'd probably be looking at penetration somewhat comparable to bunker busting bombs, which, while much lighter, are traveling much faster. For comparison, a Disney Bomb, a large, bunker-busting bomb used in WW2, impacted with about 830,000 kg*m/s worth of momentum and 173 MJ of energy and was capable of penetrating at least 16 feet of concrete.
 
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Drakkith said:
16 feet of concrete
reinforced?
 
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DynV said:
reinforced?
No idea. The wiki page on the Disney bomb just says 16 feet of solid concrete.
 
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The 2nd update mentioned in the OP is completed.
 
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DynV said:
The 2nd update mentioned in the OP is completed.
Wakarimasen...
 

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