Math needed for quantum mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical prerequisites for understanding quantum mechanics, exploring various levels of mathematical rigor and the relevance of specific mathematical concepts. Participants also express interest in resources that connect quantum mechanics with biology.

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  • Some participants suggest that a solid understanding of finite dimensional linear algebra is sufficient for grasping the essence of quantum mechanics.
  • Others argue that a deeper understanding requires knowledge of functional analysis, general topology, measure theory, Banach spaces, Hilbert spaces, spectral theory, and Lie groups.
  • A few participants mention the importance of additional mathematical tools such as probability theory, partial differential equations, operator theory, and group theory.
  • One participant highlights that the complexity of quantum mechanics can be approached with basic linear algebra and calculus, questioning the necessity of advanced mathematics for laypersons.
  • Several participants reference books and resources that may help bridge quantum mechanics with biology, indicating a broader interest in interdisciplinary connections.
  • There is a mention of the Dirac formalism and its role in university-level quantum mechanics courses, emphasizing the foundational mathematical tools introduced in those contexts.
  • One participant raises a question about the physical implications of finite dimensional linear algebra in capturing quantum phenomena, specifically regarding non-commuting operators and entanglement.

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Participants express a range of views on the necessary mathematical background for understanding quantum mechanics, with no consensus on a definitive set of requirements. Some emphasize the sufficiency of basic linear algebra, while others advocate for a more comprehensive mathematical foundation.

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The discussion reflects varying assumptions about the level of mathematical rigor required, as well as differing interpretations of what it means to "really" understand quantum mechanics. There are unresolved questions regarding the applicability of certain mathematical concepts to quantum mechanics.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the mathematical foundations of quantum mechanics, as well as those exploring interdisciplinary connections between quantum mechanics and biology.

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What math do I need to really understand quantum mechanics? Please advise!

It might be too much, but since this is my new hobby: are there any cool books that combine quantum mechanics and biology?
 
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Didn't you recommend http://www.alibris.com/Quantum-Mechanics-in-Hilbert-Space-Eduard-Prugovecki/book/5492889 before? :oldconfused:

In my understanding, if one only has finite dimensional linear algebra, one has the complete essence of quantum mechanics.
 
It really depends on how much you are interested in the (rigorous) mathematical foundations of QM. If you are only interested in learning the basics of QM and how to use it, then a solid knowledge of finite dimensional linear algebra supplemented with some (very basic) material from functional analysis is enough (of course, assuming you know calculus, differential equations, and all the usual stuff in the physicist's toolkit)

If you are really interested in the mathematical foundations, then you need some good amount of stuff: basics of general topology, basics on measure theory (including its application to probability theory; the quantum logic formulation of QM is a generalization of this), Banach spaces and algebras (including spaces of operators), Hilbert spaces (the basic stuff like Riesz's theorem and bases, but also the general theory behind bounded operators and densely-defined unbounded operators); spectral theory (the spectral theorem for unbounded self-adjoint operators and the theory behind it); Lie groups and harmonic analysis (including the imprimitivity theorem; most of the foundational issues related to the study of basic quantum systems, like localizable and covariant systems, can be reduced to the study and application of this theorem, i.e., the classification of representations of different Lie groups).

Most mathematicians are already familiar with all this material, so I don't think you will find anything new (I say this because, if I remember well, you are a mathematician)
 
Schrödinger's "What is Life?" is essential if you are interested in the connections between physics and biology. Obviously we've come a long way since then however. I can dig up some other stuff I've come across later.

Is this a trick question? Because isn't the correct answer than no one "really" understands quantum mechanics? :-p

If not, then linear algebra, probability theory, partial differential equations, operator theory, spectral theory, combinatorics, group theory, and probably more.
 
Just complex numbers, matrices and their eigenvalues/vectors. Helps to know a bit about calculus, statistics and maybe waves.

If you know the popular physics and you see the math of discrete problems like polarization of spin up/down, you kind of can fudge how it 'feels' for continuous stuff requiring complex functions and partial diff eqs.

I mean, how much mathematical knowledge of QM do you really need as a lay person?
Do you really want to solve Schrödinger's for real-life problems?
 
micromass said:
What math do I need to really understand quantum mechanics?

As esuna noted it depends on what you mean by 'really' understanding quantum mechanics. A full treatment would probably require some incursions into quantum field theory, gauge theory, particle physics... as well, for which some understand of Lie algebras is desirable, and all of the things listed above. Quantum mechanics in itself is not so hard; a lot of QM courses at uni start off by establishing the linear analysis tools you need in the context of QM and go from there - introducing the Dirac formalism. Although the computations can get quite messy, the basic ingredients are simple - quantum simple harmonic oscillators, quantized angular momentum and perturbation theory (including time-dependent) will get you a long way into understanding QM.

If your question had been

micromass said:
What math do I really need to understand quantum mechanics?

I would have said that solid analysis skills (integration, Fourier transforms, solving DEs and PDEs, etc) will make you able to start learning QM effectively enough.

Example: I don't have any good textbooks in mind, but Prof. Tong's notes are available online and cover everything from introduction of the Dirac formalism through perturbation theory, all the way to quantum information, and recommend some books on the way.

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/rrh/notes/pqm14_281014.pdf
 
Physically, why is finite dimensional linear algebra everything one needs to understand the essence of QM? The answer is that it is believed that the Bell test with two spin 1/2 particles captures the essence of quantum phenomena: non-commuting operators and entanglement.

However, mathematically, apart from the well-known complaints against Dirac's version of QM, there seem to be some interesting problems like Tsirelson's problem, which is to about how much the Bell inequalities can be violated.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.1142
http://arxiv.org/abs/0812.4305
 

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