Mathematical Induction Problem

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical induction problem involving the sum of a sequence defined by the formula 2 + 7 + 12 + 17... + (5n - 3) and its proposed equivalence to (n/2)(5n - 1). Participants are exploring the steps necessary to prove this relationship through induction.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the initial steps of mathematical induction, including verifying the base case and formulating the inductive step. There is a focus on substituting (n + 1) for n and expressing the left-hand side in terms of the inductive hypothesis. Questions arise regarding specific terms in the sequence and the manipulation of expressions.

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Some participants have provided clarifications and pointed out potential errors in the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly apply the inductive hypothesis and simplify expressions. Multiple interpretations of the steps involved are being discussed, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent to which complete solutions can be provided. There is also a focus on ensuring that the terms of the sequence are correctly identified and manipulated.

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I was working on my homework and I did two of the mathematical induction problems before this one and they were super easy but I must be forgetting something because I just can't seem to solve this one.

2+7+12+17...+(5n-3) = (n/2)(5n-1)

So I know that step 1 is to prove that it works with 1, 2=(1/2)(5(1)-1) and yes 2=2
Then I know your supposed to "Assume that 2+7+12+17+...+(5n-3)=(n/2)(5n-1)".

This next part is where I get stuck...
I start off plugging in the (n+1) for n on the right side and then substituting (n/2)(5n-1) for 2+7+12+17 on the left side giving me... (n/2)(5n-1)+(5n-3)=((n+1)/2)(5(n+1)-1)
I tried multiplying everything out but that doesn't seem to get me anywhere.

Help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
 
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Compare to mine below, the part in bold
Phyzwizz said:
(n/2)(5n-1)+(5n-3)=((n+1)/2)(5(n+1)-1)
looks to be wrong.

The way I learned induction, I use another variable for part 2.

Assume true for n = k:
2 + 7 + 12 + 17 + ... + (5k-3) = \frac{k}{2}(5k-1)

Prove true for n = k + 1:
2 + 7 + 12 + 17 + ... + (5k-3) + (5k + 2)
= \frac{k}{2}(5k-1) + (5k + 2)

Add by finding the common denominator, and you should get to
\frac{(k + 1)}{2}(5k+4)
 
Okay thank you at least this points me back in the right direction. I was wondering how you got the (5k+2) on the right side.

And also I was wondering if the final part at the end of your work is the answer because it doesn't seem to end up being equal to the other side of the equation
 
Phyzwizz said:
Okay thank you at least this points me back in the right direction. I was wondering how you got the (5k+2) on the right side.
It's actually the left side, simplified. Let me re-write it and maybe it will be more clear.

Prove true for n = k + 1:
\begin{aligned}<br /> 2 + 7 + 12 + 17 + ... + (5k-3) + (5(k+1) - 3) &amp;= \frac{(k + 1)}{2}(5(k+1) - 1) \\<br /> 2 + 7 + 12 + 17 + ... + (5k-3) + (5k + 2) &amp;= \frac{(k + 1)}{2}(5k + 4) \\<br /> \frac{k}{2}(5k-1) + (5k + 2) &amp;= \frac{(k + 1)}{2}(5k + 4)<br /> \end{aligned}

Now get the LHS equal to the RHS.
 
Phyzwizz said:
Okay thank you at least this points me back in the right direction. I was wondering how you got the (5k+2) on the right side.
The general term in the sequence is 5n- 3. Replacing n by n+ 1 gives 5(n+1)- 3= 5n+ 5- 3= 5n+ 2.

And also I was wondering if the final part at the end of your work is the answer because it doesn't seem to end up being equal to the other side of the equation
The final part is
\frac{k}{2}(5k- 1)+ 5k+ 2= \frac{k(5k- 1)+ 2(5k+ 2)}{2}
= \frac{5k^2- k+ 10k+ 4}{2}= \frac{5k^2+ 9k+ 4}{2}= \frac{(k+1)(5k+4)}{2}
Yes, they are the same.
 
Phyzwizz said:
I was working on my homework and I did two of the mathematical induction problems before this one and they were super easy but I must be forgetting something because I just can't seem to solve this one.

2+7+12+17...+(5n-3) = (n/2)(5n-1)

So I know that step 1 is to prove that it works with 1, 2=(1/2)(5(1)-1) and yes 2=2
Then I know your supposed to "Assume that 2+7+12+17+...+(5n-3)=(n/2)(5n-1)".

This next part is where I get stuck...
I start off plugging in the (n+1) for n on the right side and then substituting (n/2)(5n-1) for 2+7+12+17 on the left side giving me... (n/2)(5n-1)+(5n-3)=((n+1)/2)(5(n+1)-1)
I tried multiplying everything out but that doesn't seem to get me anywhere.

Help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

You are summing (5k - 3) over k from 1 to n, and sum(5k - 3) = 5*sum(k) - 3*sum(1).

RGV
 

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