Mathematics to understand Quantum Scattering Theory

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical prerequisites and suitable textbooks for understanding Quantum Scattering Theory, particularly in the context of studying David Griffith's "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics." Participants explore various mathematical concepts and resources that may aid in grasping the theory.

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  • One participant seeks recommendations for mathematics books to support their study of Quantum Scattering Theory, having only studied basic mathematics, algebra, geometry, calculus, and differential equations.
  • Another participant suggests a mathematical methods book for physicists, mentioning Arfken and Boas as common choices.
  • A different participant recommends Taylor's book on scattering theory, noting it includes functional analysis relevant to the topic.
  • Merzbacher's "Quantum Mechanics" is mentioned as a comparable text to Griffith's, with a focus on scattering theory, but noted as primarily a graduate-level resource.
  • Messiah's treatment of scattering theory is also highlighted as a good resource, along with Weinberg's lectures.
  • Concerns are raised about Griffith's textbook, suggesting it may leave students confused regarding mathematical aspects of quantum theory.
  • Greenberg's introductory book on Green's functions is recommended as a concise resource.
  • Participants discuss the importance of vector calculus and basic partial differential equations (PDE) as foundational knowledge for understanding scattering theory.
  • One participant reflects on their own experience learning vector calculus and Green's functions from Griffith's textbook, questioning the clarity of Griffith's explanations.

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Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various textbooks and the mathematical background required for understanding Quantum Scattering Theory. There is no consensus on a single best resource or approach, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the mathematical concepts required for scattering theory, such as complex variables and Green's functions, may not be covered in the earlier courses that the original poster has completed. There is also mention of varying levels of comfort with mathematical concepts among Griffith's readership.

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This discussion may be useful for students and educators in physics and mathematics, particularly those interested in Quantum Mechanics and its mathematical foundations.

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Homework Statement:: Mathematics to understand Quantum Scattering Theory
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I need to study Scattering theory from Introduction to Quantum Mechanics by David Griffith. But I think I need to study mathematics first because I only studied: Basic Mathematics, Algebra and Geometry, Calculus, and Differential Equations. I need to study some math but I do not know what book will be suitable for me and what chapters I must study. please help me with some recommendations. Thanks.
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A book on mathematical methods for physicists would probably be the best choice. Two common choices are Arfken and Boas.

I moved the thread since you're asking for book recommendations rather than help on the problem itself.
 
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I would recommend Taylor's Scattering theory. He covers the small additional amount of functional analysis needed to describe scattering theory but wouldn't be covered in a typical QM course. It's also very well-written and clear in general.
 
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Merzbacher, Quanum Mechanics treats scattering in a similar way to the treatment in Griffith you presented. Merzbacher is mostly a graduate textbook, as are Boas (already mentioned) and Arfken/Weber (already mentioned). Griffith has aimed at undergraduates in the third and fourth year, and slipped in mathematics which may not be taken yet. The courses you mention are generally from the first two years.
The Green's function derivation in the book Merzbacher uses Complex Variables. This is usually put in a 3rd or 4th year undergrad curriculum in physics, and is not one of the courses you mentioned. I used Saff and Snider for Complex Variables (undergrad) and Copson (graduate), but there are many other textbooks.
 
Another good treatment of scattering theory is also in Messiah and, of course, Weinberg's Lectures on Quantum Mechanics.

I'm not so sure about Griffith's quatnum textbook. I've the impression that whenever a student is confused about some mathematical aspect of QT in this forums it's due to this book ;-)). SCNR.
 
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Merzbacher, Quanum Mechanics treats scattering in a similar way to the treatment in Griffith you presented. Merzbacher is mostly a graduate textbook, as are Boas (already mentioned) and Arfken/Weber (already mentioned).
Both Boas and Arfken are intended for, among others, physics majors in their third and fourth years. Boas, in particular, "is intended for students who have had a two-semester or three-semester introductory calculus course" (from the description on Amazon).
 
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vela said:
Both Boas and Arfken are intended for, among others, physics majors in their third and fourth years. Boas, in particular, "is intended for students who have had a two-semester or three-semester introductory calculus course" (from the description on Amazon).
When I was at Virginia, I think I remember Weber teaching graduate Mathematical Methods out of Arfken, before his name was associated with the text. I could be wrong though. I have a copy of Boas. I have not read the preface yet to see what the readership was. In any case, maybe Griffith delays writing the chapters in his book for potentially concurrent courses to catch up.
I would be suprised if all off Griffith's undergraduate readership are comfortable with complex variables and Greens functions, generalized functions and Fourier transforms.
 
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What you need is vector calculus (div grad curl) and basic PDE (in that order). Any of the references mentioned will cover the latter fairly well. Interestingly I learned those things exactly from Griffiths textbook (that was my first time seeing green's function). Anything in there in particular about his explanation you found confusing?

There are quite a few different levels that could be confusing:
- Do you know div/grad/curl?
- Do you know what a Fourier transform is? (If you are reading the scattering chapter I assume you must know position and momentum representation are Fourier transforms of each other? That's covered in earlier chapter of griffiths).

If you know both, the only new concept introduced is that of a green function.
 
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A very good book for intro scattering theory is Messiah.
 
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