Matter leaving a spinning galaxy

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms by which matter can be expelled from a spinning galaxy, exploring theoretical and observational aspects of galactic dynamics, angular momentum, and the processes involved in galaxy formation and evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that stars can be flung out of galaxies through interactions with other stars, akin to a slingshot maneuver, which may slightly alter the galaxy's angular momentum.
  • There is a discussion about the net angular momentum of matter in galaxies and how it relates to the possibility of matter escaping on hyperbolic orbits.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the energy required to reach galactic escape velocity, with some participants questioning whether a single encounter is sufficient or if multiple events or more energetic phenomena (like supernovae) are necessary.
  • One participant posits that during galaxy formation, some matter undergoes gravitational collapse and becomes trapped, while others may escape, indicating that not all matter "needs" to be expelled.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that the process of matter accretion during galaxy formation may not necessarily prevent the expulsion of matter with excess angular momentum.
  • It is noted that the final dimensions of a galaxy could be influenced by the original mass and rotational momentum of the nebula from which it formed.
  • Participants discuss the role of dark matter halos in determining the energy required for matter to escape and the compactness of galaxies compared to solar systems.
  • Hypervelocity stars are mentioned as a rare phenomenon, with specific examples provided, and the impact of ejecting stars on a galaxy's rotation is also discussed.
  • Some participants mention the potential role of quasars and magnetic fields in expelling matter from galaxies, particularly during mergers or interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of matter expulsion from galaxies, with no consensus reached on the sufficiency of different processes or the likelihood of certain events occurring. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact dynamics involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of escape velocity, the role of dark matter, and the complexity of interactions within galaxies, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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By what means can a galaxy's spin increase whereby matter is expelled from the outer reaches of the galaxy?
 
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Do you have evidence that this has happened? Please provide a link.
 
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Ibix said:
Do you have evidence that this has happened? Please provide a link.
I'm trying to understand the process by which matter can leave a spinning galaxy.
 
As far as I'm aware, occasional stars get flung out by lucky interactions with other ones, similar to the slingshot manoeuvre that we use with probes (I'd look that up). That will alter the angular momentum of the galaxy slightly. I think that's what you are talking about.
 
Ranku said:
I'm trying to understand the process by which matter can leave a spinning galaxy.

The matter has a net angular momentum from the beginning.
 
DrStupid said:
The matter has a net angular momentum from the beginning.
Conservation of momentum doesn't preclude a random object being thrown out on a hyperbolic orbit, though i.e. to escape. The angular momentum of that object still contributes to the total angular momentum of the galaxy.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Conservation of momentum doesn't preclude a random object being thrown out on a hyperbolic orbit, though i.e. to escape.

No, it doesn't. But how likely is that? Reaching galactic escape velocity requires a lot of energy. I didn't do the math but I would be surprised if a single swing-by would be sufficient. I expect that a series of such encounters or a single event with much more energy (e.g. a supernova) would be necessary. Can something like that ever have a significant impact on the total angular momentum of the galaxy?
 
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DrStupid said:
Can something like that ever have a significant impact on the total angular momentum of the galaxy?
I would expect not. Impact yes, significant no. That's why I asked the question in post #2, because #1 reads a bit like the OP is expecting some process that alters the spin of the galaxy and causes it to eject stars en masse. I've never heard of such a thing - as far as I know any matter escaping the galaxy does so by mechanisms as you described.
 
DrStupid said:
The matter has a net angular momentum from the beginning.
I am trying to understand how does a galaxy settle into its mass during its formation. Does the process of matter accretion during galaxy formation itself ensure that no matter needs to be expelled due to excess angular momentum? Or is it a process where any matter that may have been attracted during the galaxy formation process is eventually expelled if it has excess angular momentum?
 
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I think you are thinking about this wrong. There is some matter that undergoes gravitational collapse. Some of it ends up trapped and becomes a galaxy. Some escapes. No matter "needs" to be expelled. It's just that some will happen to have, or acquire, sufficient energy to escape and some won't.
 
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DrStupid said:
Reaching galactic escape velocity requires a lot of energy.
Ranku said:
Does the process of matter accretion during galaxy formation itself ensure that no matter needs to be expelled due to excess angular momentum
If it's a rare event then we can postulate some rare conditions. I'd suspect that, just as in a planetary system, the planets that are farthest out will have only slightly negative orbital energy. Energy needed to leave the Sun's orbit will only be just above this negative level of total energy. Waving my arms suggests that the limiting diameter of a galaxy would be affected in the same way. The final dimensions of a galaxy would be dominated by the original mass and rotational momentum of the nebula it was formed from.
Couldn't the rate of accretion be similar to the rate of ejection, in many cases?
 
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Ranku said:
I am trying to understand how does a galaxy settle into its mass during its formation.

It collapses to a disc and than angular momentum is transferred from the center into the outer regions. In the result the disc expands and the center collapses further. During this process the total angular momentum remains almost unchanged.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I'd suspect that, just as in a planetary system, the planets that are farthest out will have only slightly negative orbital energy.

Even from the edge of the Milky Way escaping still needs too much energy to be a common process. It is difficult to calculate the exact value because it strongly depends on the dark matter halo. The halo also causes the galaxy to be more compact compared to a solar system. Thus, they are not really comparable.
 
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Wikipedia has some information on stellar kinematics and hypervelocity stars. The star US706 is measured at the highest recorded exit velocity. This is not very common around 1/100,000,000 stars are hypervelocity stars.

The act of ejecting a star will tend to slow a galaxies rotation. Ejecting a star retrograde would speed up the galaxy but that is even less likely.

The Jets from a quasar can expel matter from a galaxy.

Galaxies have magnetic fields. if galaxies are merging or stars are falling in the rotation will accelerate. Charged ions at the outskirts of the galaxy could be accelerated if they are not shielded.
 
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