Matter predominates b/c anti-matter fell into black holes?

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The discussion revolves around the potential explanation for the observed imbalance between matter and anti-matter in the universe, specifically considering the role of black holes and Hawking radiation. Participants explore theoretical implications and the relevance of these concepts to current understanding in cosmology and particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the asymmetry between matter and anti-matter could be explained by the idea that anti-matter falls into black holes, leaving matter in greater abundance.
  • Another participant challenges this view, arguing that the popularized descriptions of Hawking radiation do not guarantee that anti-particles fall into black holes, as it could equally be particles that do so.
  • It is noted that Hawking radiation is considered irrelevant in the current universe due to its weak nature and that it primarily consists of photons, gravitons, and possibly neutrinos, which do not contribute to matter/anti-matter asymmetry.
  • A participant points out that while black holes are typically of stellar mass, there could be asymmetry in neutrinos, suggesting that the ratio of neutrinos to antineutrinos might play a role in understanding matter/anti-matter asymmetry.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of black holes emitting neutrinos and questions how Hawking radiation could produce different amounts of neutrinos and antineutrinos.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the role of black holes and Hawking radiation in explaining matter/anti-matter asymmetry. There is no consensus on the validity of the original hypothesis or the implications of Hawking radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the popularized understanding of Hawking radiation and its implications, noting that current theories may not adequately address the complexities of matter/anti-matter asymmetry.

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I was reading an article about the great Steven Hawking, and it seems to say that matter & anti-matter can be created in space, but that one of them can fall into a black hole, thus leaving the other around in a higher preponderance, which of course matter is. So it would seem that a good explanation for why there is an imbalance of matter to anti-matter is that the anti-matter fell into black holes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/03/stephen-hawking-is-still-underrated/555590/
 
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That is a highly popularised article and you should not look to learn actual physics from it. In particular, the popularised description of Hawking radiation that is provided is the typical one and Hawking himself said that, while inaccurate, it was the closest analogy he could find that would be understandable by laymen.

However, even within the popularised description, there is no guarantee that it is the anti-particle that "falls into" the black hole. It would be equally likely that it was what we call a particle that does that. Hence, you cannot use Hawking radiation to explain the matter-antimatter asymmetry.
 
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In addition to Hawking radiation having nothing to do with pairs:
- Hawking radiation is completely irrelevant in the current universe. It is too weak to have any impact.
- As far as we know all black holes have at least stellar masses, there Hawking radiation is exclusively made out of photons, gravitons and maybe neutrinos - none of them contribute to the matter/antimatter asymmetry
- Even hypothetical smaller black holes, small enough to have other particles in the Hawking radiation, should radiate matter and antimatter in equal amounts
 
mfb said:
- As far as we know all black holes have at least stellar masses, there Hawking radiation is exclusively made out of photons, gravitons and maybe neutrinos - none of them contribute to the matter/antimatter asymmetry.

There can be matter-antimatter asymmetry in neutrinos and one of the more important cosmology measurements which has not yet been made is the ratio of neutrinos to antineutrinos in the universe. It doesn't contribute to baryonic matter/antimatter asymmetry, but that isn't the only possible kind of matter/antimatter asymmetry. In fact, if the number of antineutrinos outnumbers the number of ordinary matter neutrinos by even 1% (and there are hints that it might) then the number of anti-leptons in the universe vastly exceeds the number leptons and non-antimatter baryons in the universe by a substantial amount.
 
ohwilleke said:
but that isn't the only possible kind of matter/antimatter asymmetry
I'm sure it is the asymmetry OP was asking about. And it is unlikely that these black holes emit neutrinos at all - one mass eigenstate would have to be exceptionally light compared to the other two.

How could Hawking radiation emit different amounts of neutrinos and antineutrinos, by the way?
 

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