Max Fidelity at $$F=|\langle\psi|\phi\rangle|^2$$

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The discussion revolves around the fidelity between two quantum states represented by the equation $$F=|\langle\psi|\phi\rangle|^2$$. Participants explore the implications of varying parameters, particularly the angle \(t\), on the fidelity of coherent states. The conversation includes attempts to simplify expressions, resolve discrepancies in calculations, and understand the underlying principles of fidelity in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for fidelity involving coherent states and questions the results obtained at specific angles, particularly \(t=0\) and \(t=\pi/2\).
  • Another participant suggests that the final expression for fidelity can be simplified to $$F=e^{-2|\alpha|^2(1-\cos t)}$$, which is 1 for \(t=2\pi\).
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the teacher's assertion that fidelity should equal 1 at \(t=\pi/2\), despite calculations suggesting otherwise.
  • There is a discussion about the symmetry property of fidelity for pure states, with some participants arguing that it should yield the same fidelity regardless of the angle \(t\).
  • One participant questions the relationship between fidelity and orthogonality of states, particularly when fidelity approaches zero.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the implications of fidelity decreasing with increasing angles and whether this indicates a decrease in the overlap of quantum states.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical treatment of states with coefficients and the correct approach to calculating inner products.
  • There are multiple instances of participants correcting or challenging each other's calculations without reaching a consensus on the correct interpretation or results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fidelity calculations, particularly regarding the expected results at specific angles. There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the implications of fidelity in relation to the angles discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the assumptions made about the states involved and the definitions of fidelity. The discussion reveals unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the results.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying quantum states, fidelity, and coherent states, may find this discussion relevant.

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I have two pure states i.e. initial state and final state. I should get Fidelity as 1 when #t=\pi{/2}#
But I am not getting. What is wrong in my calculation?
$$F =|\langle\psi|\phi \rangle|^2$$
$$|\psi\rangle=|\alpha\rangle|0\rangle$$
$$|\phi\rangle= |\cos(t)\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle$$
$$F=|(|\langle\alpha|\langle 0|)(|\cos(t)\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle)|^2$$
Now simplifying $$\langle\alpha|\cos(t)\alpha\rangle$$
$$=e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}\sum_{n=0}\frac{(\alpha^\ast)^n}{\sqrt{n!}}\langle n|e^{-\frac{|\alpha\cos(t)|^2}{2}}\sum_{m=0}\frac{(\alpha\cos(t))^m}{\sqrt{m!}}|m\rangle$$
$$=e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}e^{-\frac{|\alpha\cos(t)|^2}{2}}\sum_{n=0}\sum_{m=0}\frac{(\alpha^\ast\alpha\cos(t))^n}{\sqrt{n!}}\langle n|m\rangle$$
$$=e^{{-|\alpha|^2}{/2}}e^{{-|\alpha\cos(t)|^2}{/2}}e^{|\alpha|^2\cos(t)}$$
Now simplifying $$\langle 0|i\sin(t)\alpha\rangle$$
$$=\langle 0| e^{-\frac{|\alpha\sin(t)|^2}{2}}\sum_{n=0}\frac{(\alpha i\sin(t))^n}{\sqrt{n!}}|n\rangle $$
$$=e^{-\frac{|\alpha\sin(t)|^2}{2}}$$
$$F=|e^{{-|\alpha|^2}{/2}}e^{{-|\alpha\cos(t)|^2}{/2}}e^{|\alpha|^2\cos(t)}e^{-\frac{|\alpha\sin(t)|^2}{2}}|^2$$
Now when t=0 , I am getting F=1.
when $t=\pi{/2}$ I am getting F= (4.5)(10^-5)
But my teacher says that even at #t=\pi{/2}#, I should get F=1. Here alpha is the coherent state and its value is sqrt5
Why should I get 1 and Why am i not getting 1?

What's wrong with my calculation?
 
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Have you resolved your errors in your previous calculation of the same type?
 
Demystifier said:
Have you resolved your errors in your previous calculation of the same type?
yes. I have done
 
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I see no error, but your final expression can be simplified as
$$F=e^{-2|\alpha|^2(1-\cos t)}$$
This is 1 for ##t=2\pi##, maybe that's what your teacher meant?
 
No. He clearly told me I should get 1 at t= #/pi /2#.
 
Sometimes even teachers make errors. :smile:
 
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Is there any theory that I should get constant fidelity for pure state even in different degrees i.e.0,90etc
 
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I think I got what my teacher is saying.
I don't know if it make sense.
Since my state is pure, its fidelity should obey symmetry property i.e. $$F(\rho,\sigma)=F(\sigma,\rho) $$
so
$$|\langle\psi (\rho)|\psi (\sigma)|^2 = |\langle\psi (\sigma)|\psi (\rho)|^2$$
$$|\psi(\rho)\rangle = |\alpha\rangle |0\rangle$$
$$|\psi(\sigma)\rangle= |\alpha\cos(t)\rangle |i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle$$
therefore
$$|\langle\psi (\rho)|\psi (\sigma)|^2$$

$$=|(|\langle\alpha|\langle 0|)(|\cos(t)\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle)|^2$$
$$= 1$$ (when t = 0)
similarly for
$$|\langle\psi (\sigma)|\psi (\rho)|^2$$
so I should get same fidelity irrespective of t
 
deepalakshmi said:
I think I got what my teacher is saying.
I don't know if it make sense.
Since my state is pure, its fidelity should obey symmetry property i.e. $$F(\rho,\sigma)=F(\sigma,\rho) $$
so
$$|\langle\psi (\rho)|\psi (\sigma)|^2 = |\langle\psi (\sigma)|\psi (\rho)|^2$$
$$|\psi(\rho)\rangle = |\alpha\rangle |0\rangle$$
$$|\psi(\sigma)\rangle= |\alpha\cos(t)\rangle |i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle$$
therefore
$$|\langle\psi (\rho)|\psi (\sigma)|^2$$

$$=|(|\langle\alpha|\langle 0|)(|\cos(t)\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle)|^2$$
$$= 1$$ (when t = 0)
similarly for
$$|\langle\psi (\sigma)|\psi (\rho)|^2$$
so I should get same fidelity irrespective of t
I think it doesn't make sense
 
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When will the pure state have constant fidelity?
 
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Is there something wrong with my initial and final state?
"The fidelity between two states can be shown to never decrease when a non-selective quantum operation
{\mathcal {E}}
is applied to the states" what does this mean and how is it related to my problem?
 
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@Demystifier I am wrong. What my teacher meant was "At t = 90(degree), the fidelity is 0.00004 which is nearly equal to 0. But fidelity will be 0 only if the two states are orthogonal. But my case is not orthogonal. So he told me my calculation is wrong". I think it makes sense right?
Therefore something is wrong. But what is wrong?
My calculation for proving it is not orthogonal:
at t = 90(degree)
$$(\langle\alpha|\langle 0|)(|0\rangle|i\alpha\rangle)$$
$$\langle\alpha|0\rangle \langle 0|i\alpha\rangle$$
$$exp({-{|\alpha|}^2}{/2}) exp({-{|\alpha|}^2}{/2})$$
$$exp({-|\alpha|}^2)$$
But here if I substitute alpha as sqrt{5}
I am getting 0.006.
Then does it mean my state is orthogonal?( I am confused)
 
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deepalakshmi said:
I am getting 0.006.
##0.006^2=0.000036\approx 0.00004##, which is the number your teacher gave. If you take my simplified expression in #4, you will see that the fidelity is really ##e^{-2|\alpha|^2}##, which is ##(e^{-|\alpha|^2})^2##.

deepalakshmi said:
Then does it mean my state is orthogonal?
No, it means that it's almost orthogonal.
 
  • #14
At t=90(degree)
its inner product is approximately equal to 0.
Therefore its fidelity is 0 (approximately).
Is this statement correct?
 
  • #15
deepalakshmi said:
At t=90(degree)
its inner product is approximately equal to 0.
Therefore its fidelity is 0 (approximately).
Is this statement correct?
Yes.
 
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Demystifier said:
Yes.
But if take smaller values of alpha, I am not getting this statement. Why? For example; take alpha= sqrt{1}. Its inner product is 0.36 and fidelity is 0.1
 
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deepalakshmi said:
But if take smaller values of alpha, I am not getting this statement. Why? For example; take alpha= sqrt{1}. Its inner product is 0.36 and fidelity is 0.1
What is the smallest positive number which is approximately equal to 0?

Maybe you also want to read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
 
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@Demystifier
Now considering t = 30(degree)
$$|\psi\rangle=|\alpha\rangle|0\rangle$$
$$|\phi\rangle= |\cos(t)\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\sin(t)\rangle$$
$$= |(\sqrt{3}{/2})\alpha\rangle|(1{/2})i\alpha\rangle$$
$$F=|\sqrt{3}{/4}(|\langle\alpha|\langle 0|)(|\alpha\rangle|i\alpha\rangle)|^2$$
$$=|\sqrt{3}{/4}(|\langle\alpha|\alpha\rangle)(\langle 0|i\alpha\rangle)|^{2}$$
$$=3/16|e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}|^2$$
$$=(3/16)e^{-5}$$
$$=0.001$$

If I consider
$$F= e^{-2|\alpha|^2(1-\cos(t))}$$
$$=e^{-10(1-\sqrt{3}{/2})}$$
$$=0.26$$
Why there is a change in fidelity?
 
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deepalakshmi said:
Why there is a change in fidelity?
You made an error again; ##|c\alpha\rangle \neq c| \alpha\rangle##.
 
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Demystifier said:
You made an error again; ##|c\alpha\rangle \neq c| \alpha\rangle##.
Since C is just a value, can't I take it outside?
 
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Then how should I find inner product of the state with value inside it?
 
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deepalakshmi said:
Since C is just a value, can't I take it outside?
You can't. ##\alpha## is also just a value, why don't you take ##\alpha## outside instead? Think about it!
 
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deepalakshmi said:
Then how should I find inner product of the state with value inside it?
The way you did it correctly in the first post.
 
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$$F=|(\langle\alpha|\frac{\alpha\sqrt{3}}{2}\rangle)(\langle0|\frac{i\alpha}{2}\rangle)|^2$$

simplifying$$\langle\alpha|\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\alpha\rangle$$

$$=e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}\sum_{n=0}\frac{(\alpha^\ast)^n}{\sqrt{n!}}\langle n|e^{-\frac{|\alpha{\sqrt{3}{/2}}|^2}{2}}\sum_{m=0}\frac{(\alpha{\sqrt{3}{/2}})^m}{\sqrt{m!}}|m\rangle$$
$$
=e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}e^{-\frac{|\alpha{\sqrt{3}{/2}}|^2}{2}}e^{-\{(\sqrt{3}|\alpha|^2)/2)}
$$

Simplifying $$\langle 0|\frac{1}{2}i\alpha\rangle$$

$$=\langle 0| e^{-\frac{|i\alpha/2|^2}{2}}\sum_{n=0}e^{-\frac{|i\alpha/2|^2}{2}}\frac{(\alpha i{({1}{/2}}))^n}{\sqrt{n!}}|n\rangle$$

$$=e^{-\frac{|i\alpha/2|^2}{2}}$$

$$F=|e^{-\frac{|\alpha|^2}{2}}e^{-\frac{|\alpha{\sqrt{3}{/2}}|^2}{2}}e^{-\{(\sqrt{3}|\alpha|^2)/2)}e^{-\frac{|i\alpha/2|^2}{2}}|^2$$
 
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While increasing the degree( 0,30,60,etc) fidelity keeps on decreasing and reaches 0 (1,0.2,0,0,0...). So can I conclude that overlapping of the two quantum state decreases while increasing the degree(time)?
 
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This is graph which I got while plotting fidelity vs time. According to my graph, fidelity decreases and reaches 0 but again increases and decreases.
 

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deepalakshmi said:
This is graph which I got while plotting fidelity vs time. According to my graph, fidelity decreases and reaches 0 but again increases and decreases.
From this graph what observations can be made?
 

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