Maximizing S/N in Angular Power Spectrum Signals

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The discussion revolves around the signal-to-noise ratio (S/N) in the context of angular power spectrum signals, specifically focusing on the implications of binning the power spectrum and its effects on noise reduction and signal enhancement. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical applications, and potential confusions related to the mathematical formulation of S/N.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the signal-to-noise ratio for angular power spectrum signals and questions whether binning should replace the sum over multipoles with a sum over bin centers.
  • Another participant references a specific section of a paper discussing power spectrum binning, suggesting that the paper may clarify the issue.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the effectiveness of binning, noting that summing over binned multipoles may yield a cumulative S/N similar to that before binning, implying that binning may not enhance the S/N as expected.
  • Another participant questions the rationale behind the summation over 2ℓ + 1, suggesting that it may not be necessary since Cℓ is assumed to be the same for all m modes at a given ℓ due to statistical isotropy. They also discuss how noise affects the estimation of Cℓ and its implications for binning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of binning in increasing the signal-to-noise ratio, with some questioning its utility and others seeking clarification on the mathematical treatment of the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to handling S/N in the context of binning.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the role of noise in the S/N calculation and the implications of averaging over multipoles. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the relationship between noise and signal in the context of angular power spectra.

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The signal-to-noise ratio for angular power spectrum signal Cl under theoretical noise Nl, where Cl and Nl are functions of multipole l, is given as

(S/N)^2= \sum (2l+1) (Cl/Nl)^2To increase the S/N we bin the power spectrum signal, if bin width \Delta l, this in principle decreases Nl by a factor of 1/sqrt(\Delta l).

Now, in (S/N)^2 should we replace the sum over multipoles with the sum over bin centers?
 
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Thanks for the response. I checked the paper, it talks about the power spectrum binning. Suppose I bin the power spectrum as described in the paper.
The confusion I had is, if I just sum over the binned multipoles, I will end with the similar cummulative signal-to-noise ratio as before I started binning. So, binning is not necessarily helping to increase the signal-to-noise ratio.
 
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@SherLOCKed I guess one thing that confuses me is why there is a summation over 2 + 1 in this case. That would make sense whenever averaging over all the m modes within a given multipole ℓ. But C is the same for every m mode at a given by assumption of statistical isotropy. So summing over m modes doesn't make sense to me. What does the summation do, and why isn't S/N just quantified as C/N at every multipole?

I agree that because we're considering power, not just amplitude, random noise produces an N that enters your spectrum as a bias, not just as variance. You can't get rid of it by binning multipoles. But for any actual measurement, the noise also causes multipole-to-multipole variance in the estimation of C that would average down through binning.
 

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