Maximum and minimum 283: minimize cost

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the cost of constructing a geometric body composed of a cylindrical section capped with hemispheres, where different materials have varying costs. Participants are exploring the formulation of the cost function and the volume constraint associated with the design.

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  • One participant proposes a cost function based on the areas of the cylindrical portion and hemispheres, suggesting that the cost per unit area varies for different sections.
  • Another participant questions the initial description of the geometric body, seeking clarification on whether it is a right circular cylinder with hemispherical ends.
  • There is a discussion about the correct formulation of the cost function, with participants providing different expressions and correcting each other's formulations.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the volume formula, with one participant asserting that the volume of the body has been miscalculated multiple times.
  • One participant suggests expressing the height in terms of the radius to simplify the cost function for minimization.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the correct formulation of the volume and cost functions, and there are competing views on how to approach the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct expressions and the next steps for optimization.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the geometry and cost structure, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the cost function from the volume constraint.

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283) you want to build a volume "V" shaped geometric body torque limited cylindrical half-spheres. If the material lower semisphere costs twice as much as the material of the sides, and the material of the upper hemisphere costs three times, calculate the dimensions of the body more economic.

answer H = 6R and R = cubic root of ( 3V/22pi)

Ok
V = 2pir2H+4/3pir3

The cost Function where i think it is my mistake is

C = 4pir2H +4pir3
 
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Re: max and minimun 283

I have no idea what you mean by " 'V' shaped geometric body torque limited cylindrical half-spheres." Is this in fact just a right circular cylinder capped at both ends by hemispheres? If so, you are making the same mistake you made in the boiler problem concerning the volume of this body.

I would let the cost per unit square of the sides of the cylindrical portion be $k$ (in whatever units of currency you choose). Then your cost function would be:

Total cost = k(area of cylindrical portion) + 2k(area of lower hemisphere) + 3k(area of upper hemisphere)

You should now be able to state your objective function and constraint. What do you find?
 
Re: max and minimun 283

MarkFL said:
I have no idea what you mean by " 'V' shaped geometric body torque limited cylindrical half-spheres." Is this in fact just a right circular cylinder capped at both ends by hemispheres? If so, you are making the same mistake you made in the boiler problem concerning the volume of this body.

I would let the cost per unit square of the sides of the cylindrical portion be $k$ (in whatever units of currency you choose). Then your cost function would be:

Total cost = k(area of cylindrical portion) + 2k(area of lower hemisphere) + 3k(area of upper hemisphere)

You should now be able to state your objective function and constraint. What do you find?

Cost = k(4pir2·+2k(2/3pir3)+3k 2k(2/3pir3)
This must be the cost equation
 
Re: max and minimun 283

leprofece said:
Cost = k(4pir2·+2k(2/3pir3)+3k 2k(2/3pir3)
This must be the cost equation

No, what is the formula for the lateral surface of a cylinder? And why does your third term have factors of $2k$ and $3k$? Look at the formula I gave and carefully insert the correct area formulas.
 
Re: max and minimun 283

MarkFL said:
No, what is the formula for the lateral surface of a cylinder? And why does your third term have factors of $2k$ and $3k$? Look at the formula I gave and carefully insert the correct area formulas.
C= 2pirh+ 2pir2 +2pir2
This?
 
No. You have the correct lateral surface area of a cylinder, and the correct surface areas of the hemispheres, but you are not taking into account the differing costs per unit area. You want:

$$C(r,h)=k(2\pi rh)+2k\left(2\pi r^2 \right)+3k\left(2\pi r^2 \right)=2k\pi r\left(h+5r \right)$$

Now, can you state the constraint, and solve it for $h$ so that you will be able to express the objective function in terms of just the variable $r$?
 
MarkFL said:
No. You have the correct lateral surface area of a cylinder, and the correct surface areas of the hemispheres, but you are not taking into account the differing costs per unit area. You want:

$$C(r,h)=k(2\pi rh)+2k\left(2\pi r^2 \right)+3k\left(2\pi r^2 \right)=2k\pi r\left(h+5r \right)$$

Now, can you state the constraint, and solve it for $h$ so that you will be able to express the objective function in terms of just the variable $r$?

Ok is it ?
V = 2pir2H+4/3pir3
 
leprofece said:
Ok is it ?
V = 2pir2H+4/3pir3

If I am reading this correctly as:

$$V=2\pi r^2h+\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3$$

then no, that does not described the volume of the body. You have made this same error three times now. (Lipssealed)

You want:

$$V=\pi r^2h+\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3$$

Recall that the volume of a cylinder is $\pi r^2h$. Now, solve this constraint for $h$ and then substitute for $h$ into the cost function, and then minimize.
 

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