Maxwell's Equations in 4-D Space

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving the antisymmetric tensor Fij in the context of Maxwell's equations and electromagnetic fields in 4-dimensional space-time, specifically using Gaussian units. The original poster attempts to establish the connection between the magnetic field vector Hk and the tensor Fij, while also addressing the representation of Fij as a matrix.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the representation of the tensor Fij, questioning the dimensionality and components of the matrix. The original poster seeks to clarify their understanding of the curl of A and its relation to the tensor. There is also an inquiry about the correct application of the curl definition in the context of the tensor.

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Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's attempts, noting errors in the dimensionality of the matrix and the components involved. The conversation appears to be progressing with clarifications being made, and the original poster expresses a desire to resolve the initial part of the problem before moving on to subsequent parts.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the distinction between 3D and 4D representations of the tensor, as well as the need to accurately incorporate both electric and magnetic field components in the discussion. The original poster acknowledges a mistake in their initial post and seeks to correct it while focusing on the first part of the problem.

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Homework Statement


We are using Gaussian units. To begin, the vector Hk is the magnetic field, which relates to a second rank antisymmetric tensor, Fij.
a.) Prove
F_{ij} = \frac{\partial A_{j}}{\partial x_{ i }} - \frac{\partial A_{ i }}{\partial x_{j}} = \partial_{ i } A_{j} - \partial_{j} A_{ i }

where \nabla \times \vec{A} = \vec{H}​
I'm only posting this first part because I feel like once I get it everything will roll out and I'll be able to answer it all.

Homework Equations


In the last problem, we proved that H_{k} = \frac{1}{2} \epsilon_{ijk} F_{ij} \iff F_{ij} = \epsilon_{ijk} H_{k}

The Attempt at a Solution


The last problem says that the tensor Fij can be written as the following matrix:
<br /> \left(\begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; H_{z} &amp; -H_{y} \\<br /> -H_{z} &amp; 0 &amp; H_{x} \\<br /> H_y &amp; -H_x &amp; 0 \end{array}\right) and the hint says that
(curl \, \vec{A})_{i} = \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} A_{k} = H_{i} So, F_{12} = \partial_{1} A_2 - \partial_2 A_1. Do I just et the partials from the definition of the curl of A being H?
 
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There are several problems with what you've written. First of all, in 4D space-time, the matrix representing Fij is a 4x4 antisymmetric matrix, not 3x3 as you've written it. It contains both the electric field and magnetic field. Secondly, even what you have written for the space part of Fij is wrong, since it should contain Hx, Hy, and Hz. Normally in 4D space-time, time is x0, and the space components are x1,2,3.
So F12 = ∂1 A2 - ∂2 A1 = ∂x Ay - ∂y Ax = Hz. Try working through it again.
 
phyzguy said:
There are several problems with what you've written. First of all, in 4D space-time, the matrix representing Fij is a 4x4 antisymmetric matrix, not 3x3 as you've written it. It contains both the electric field and magnetic field. Secondly, even what you have written for the space part of Fij is wrong, since it should contain Hx, Hy, and Hz. Normally in 4D space-time, time is x0, and the space components are x1,2,3.
So F12 = ∂1 A2 - ∂2 A1 = ∂x Ay - ∂y Ax = Hz. Try working through it again.
This is the first part of my problem, I should have been more clear, sorry. Later on in the problem it extends the tensor to a 4x4, antisymmetric tensor, but I have trouble proving the first part. I only posted the first part because I felt like I could get the rest if I could get the first part. I mistyped as it was early in the morning, I'll fix my first post, the matrix is:
<br /> \left(\begin{array}{ccc}<br /> 0 &amp; H_{z} &amp; -H_{y} \\<br /> -H_{z} &amp; 0 &amp; H_{x} \\<br /> H_y &amp; -H_x &amp; 0 \end{array}\right)

What I noticed, is that (\nabla \times \vec{A})_{ i } = \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} A_{k} = H_{i} \rightarrow (\nabla \times \vec{A})_{ 1 } = \partial_{2} A_{3} - \partial_{3} A_{2} = H_{1}, can I use this in my tensor?
 
Yes, this looks correct now.
 

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