Measurable Function Composition: f∘g

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The discussion revolves around the measurability of the composition of functions, specifically examining the conditions under which the composition $$f \circ g$$ is measurable when $$f$$ is a measurable function and $$g$$ is a Borel measurable function. The participants also explore whether the composition remains measurable if $$g$$ is merely a measurable function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if $$g$$ is a Borel measurable function, then $$f \circ g$$ is measurable, referencing the properties of measurable sets forming a sigma-algebra.
  • Another participant questions whether the composition $$f \circ g$$ remains measurable if $$g$$ is only assumed to be measurable, expressing uncertainty about the general case.
  • A participant mentions the need for a counterexample to demonstrate that $$f^{-1}(E)$$ may not be measurable for an arbitrary measurable set $$E$$ and a measurable function $$f$$.
  • Reference is made to external sources, including Wikipedia and StackExchange, for additional context and examples related to the composition of measurable functions.
  • A later reply indicates that a counterexample found on StackExchange aligns with the inquiry about the measurability of the composition, suggesting that it has clarified the participant's understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the measurability of the composition $$f \circ g$$ when $$g$$ is merely measurable, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding this aspect.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining measurability in the context of function composition and the potential need for specific conditions or examples to clarify the relationships between different types of measurable functions.

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Another analysis review question:

Suppose that $$f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$$ is a measurable function and that $$g:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$$ is a Borel (i.e. Borel measurable) function. Show that $$f\circ g$$ is measurable.

If we only assume that g is measurable, is it still true that the composition $$f\circ g$$ is measurable?
 
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I'm fairly confident in my proof that $$f\circ g$$ is measurable in the instance that g is Borel.

Note that a suitable definition of measurability is that f is measurable iff $$f^{-1}(U)$$ is measurable for an arbitrary open set U in $$\mathbb{R}$$. A similar definition can be written for a Borel function, i.e. that g is Borel iff $$g^{-1}(U)$$ is a Borel set for an arbitrary open set U in $$\mathbb{R}$$.

That being said, the first proof amounts to using the fact that the measurable sets form a sigma-algebra, and we may write the pull-back of a Borel set as the arbitrary union, intersection, and complement of the pull-back of open sets.

The second part is tricky. What I need to know is whether for an arbitrary measurable set $$E\subset\mathbb{R}$$ and a measurable function f, we have $$f^{-1}(E)$$ is measurable. My intuition is that this should not be the case, but finding a suitable counter-example has proven to be difficult.
 
See the Wikipedia page about the composition of measurable functions, and see StackExchange for a counterexample concerning the composition of two Lebesgue-measurable functions.
 
The Stack Exchange counterexample was exactly what I was looking for. You have helped me tremendously. Thank you.
 

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