Measurements of the Speed of Light

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of light using a measurement involving a laser beam reflecting off a retroreflector placed on the Moon. The problem specifies the time taken for the round trip of the laser and the center-to-center distance from Earth to the Moon, while also noting the importance of considering the sizes of both celestial bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial calculation of speed by dividing the distance by time, but question the accuracy due to not accounting for the sizes of the Earth and Moon. There is an exploration of how to adjust the distance to reflect the actual travel path of the laser beam.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting corrections to the initial approach. There is recognition of the need to subtract the radii of the Earth and Moon from the total distance, and the conversation is focused on refining the calculation method without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need to consider the physical dimensions of the Earth and Moon in the calculations, which has led to some confusion about how to properly adjust the distance for the laser's travel path.

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Homework Statement



The Apollo 11 astronauts set up a highly reflecting panel on the Moon's surface. The speed of light can be found by measuring the time it takes a laser beam to travel from Earth, reflect from the retroreflector, and return to Earth. If this interval is measured to be 2.51 s, what is the measured speed of light? Take the center-to-center distance from the Earth to the Moon to be 3.84 x 10^8 m and do not neglect the sizes of the Earth and the Moon.


Homework Equations



none given in the section

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to simply to divide 3.84 x 10^8 m by 2.51, which got me the ansewr of 152988047.8 The book's answer is 299.5 Mm/s. I'm thinking my mistake is that I didn't do anything with the sizes of the Earth and the Moon, but I'm not sure how to incorporate those into this problem.
 
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clairez93 said:

Homework Statement



The Apollo 11 astronauts set up a highly reflecting panel on the Moon's surface. The speed of light can be found by measuring the time it takes a laser beam to travel from Earth, reflect from the retroreflector, and return to Earth. If this interval is measured to be 2.51 s, what is the measured speed of light? Take the center-to-center distance from the Earth to the Moon to be 3.84 x 10^8 m and do not neglect the sizes of the Earth and the Moon.

Homework Equations



none given in the section

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to simply to divide 3.84 x 10^8 m by 2.51, which got me the ansewr of 152988047.8 The book's answer is 299.5 Mm/s. I'm thinking my mistake is that I didn't do anything with the sizes of the Earth and the Moon, but I'm not sure how to incorporate those into this problem.
That was indeed your mistake: The distance given is the distance from the centre of the Earth to the centre of the moon. Does the laser travel from the centre of the Earth to the centre of the moon?
 
Hm, I guess not. So should I subtract the radii values of the sun and moon from the distance to get from surface to surface?
If I do that, I then get 375884500/2.51, which comes out to 149754780.9 m/s, which is still wrong, I believe.
 
You've got it--I think you meant subtract the radii of the Earth and the moon though, not the sun. Think about it--velocity is distance over time--so you get...

c= 2\left(\frac{3.84 \times 10^8 - (E_R+m_R)}{2.51}\right)
 
Oh, right. I forgot to multiply by 2.
 

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