Measuring speed of sound in air

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The discussion revolves around measuring the speed of sound in air using specific laboratory equipment: a microphone, signal generator, amplifier, and digital oscilloscope. Participants explore methods to conduct the experiment without a loudspeaker, which is commonly used in such setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various setups, including using one or two microphones and the role of the preamp. They question the effectiveness of clapping as a sound source and consider how to measure the time difference of sound reaching the microphones.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and seeking clarification on how to effectively use the available equipment. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the preamp and alternative setups, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method.

Contextual Notes

Participants are constrained by the absence of a loudspeaker and must rely on the materials listed. There is also a focus on individual interpretation of the lab sheet's requirements, leading to varied approaches to the experiment.

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Hi.

I have been given the task to measure the speed of sound in air. The materials available are:

1. Microphone

2. Signal Generator

3. Amplifier

4. Digital Oscilloscope


I have looked through google and the simplest exp involves a loudspeaker as well. However I don't have one in the lab. Can someone suggest a method using the 4 items listed above to measure the speed of sound in air?
 
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ecy5maa said:
Hi.

I have been given the task to measure the speed of sound in air. The materials available are:

1. Microphone

2. Signal Generator

3. Amplifier

4. Digital Oscilloscope


I have looked through google and the simplest exp involves a loudspeaker as well. However I don't have one in the lab. Can someone suggest a method using the 4 items listed above to measure the speed of sound in air?

Are you allowed to clap?
 
Yes. The lab sheet just says we have to use a microphone and an oscilliscope. Everything else is dependent on the person doing the experiment
 
ecy5maa said:
Yes. The lab sheet just says we have to use a microphone and an oscilliscope. Everything else is dependent on the person doing the experiment

Well there you go! That was easy.

Now, can you describe some ways to set up the experiment? What special considerations might you have about the microphone and preamp...?
 
i tried a simple one by connecting two microphones to the oscilloscope keeping a distance x between them and clapping a distance y from both of them.

But none of my claps, or any music that i played registered any wave fluctuation
 
ecy5maa said:
i tried a simple one by connecting two microphones to the oscilloscope keeping a distance x between them and clapping a distance y from both of them.

But none of my claps, or any music that i played registered any wave fluctuation

Did you use the preamp? It's hard to believe you aren't seeing any audio at all...
 
nope i didnt use the preamp.

but how would i use the preamp just for a clap?
 
ecy5maa said:
nope i didnt use the preamp.

but how would i use the preamp just for a clap?

You connect a microphone to a preamp, and monitor the output of the preamp with the 'scope. Can you think of how you could use just one microphone instead of two?
 
So what you are saying is; I connect the microphone to the pre amp. That will amplify the sound waves from the 'clap' and then i monitor the output from the scope?

Hmm..i guess i can clap at increasing or decreasing distances from the mic ?
 
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ecy5maa said:
Hmm..i guess i can clap at increasing or decreasing distances from the mic ?

If you use only one microphone, you need one other thing that is generally available...
 
  • #11
which is ? :confused:
 
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ecy5maa said:
which is ? :confused:

It's *your* project, so think about it some. Another hint -- you could also use two people instead of two microphones...
 
  • #13
two people who clap at the same time?
 
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ecy5maa said:
two people who clap at the same time?

How would you set up that experiment?
 
  • #15
Umm...but won't i still need something to catch the sound wave the 'claps' produce?

:confused:
 
  • #16
ecy5maa said:
Umm...but won't i still need something to catch the sound wave the 'claps' produce?

:confused:

That would be the microphones and preamps, no?
 
  • #17
ohh i thought u meant without using any microphone...

So i place the mic a distance x from two people who themselves are a distance y between them. Then I ask them to both clap at the same time. and record the distance between the peaks shown on the Oscilloscope?

However, I change x or do I change y ie. the distance between the two people?
 
  • #18
ecy5maa said:
ohh i thought u meant without using any microphone...

So i place the mic a distance x from two people who themselves are a distance y between them. Then I ask them to both clap at the same time. and record the distance between the peaks shown on the Oscilloscope?

However, I change x or do I change y ie. the distance between the two people?

You are getting closer. There is a simpler arrangement of the two people that will give you a more accurate reading...
 
  • #19
im stumped :confused:
 
  • #20
ecy5maa said:
im stumped :confused:

I'm not getting the sense that you're trying very hard on this.

When I'm stumped, Google is often my friend. Have you tried googling speed of sound? Do that, and add the extra search term clap. Bet you get lots of ideas from reading that hit list. There was even one idea that I'd never seen before that let's you use a watch with a second hand! Pretty clever.
 
  • #21
Ok. Thanks never the less.
 
  • #22
ecy5maa said:
Hi.

I have been given the task to measure the speed of sound in air. The materials available are:

1. Microphone

2. Signal Generator

3. Amplifier

4. Digital Oscilloscope


I have looked through google and the simplest exp involves a loudspeaker as well. However I don't have one in the lab. Can someone suggest a method using the 4 items listed above to measure the speed of sound in air?

What's the signal generator good for ? :confused:
 
  • #23
Quinzio said:
What's the signal generator good for ? :confused:

The signal generator + loud speaker would produce audio waves.


But right now the lab does not have a loud speaker. So ill have to make do without
 

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