Measuring the resistance value of some bulbs.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the resistance of light bulbs connected in parallel to a generator. The generator has a power rating of 5 kW and operates at 240 V, while each bulb is rated at 60 W. Participants explore different methods to derive the resistance values of the bulbs.

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  • Participants present various attempts to calculate the resistance, leading to different results. Some question the validity of their methods, particularly regarding the assumptions made about power distribution and the generator's capacity.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants providing clarifications on the generator's power output and its implications for the circuit. Several interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly concerning the relevance of the generator's maximum power rating.

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Participants note that the generator's 5 kW rating is the maximum output, and the actual power needed for the bulbs is significantly lower. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from the information provided in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


A small generator of 5kW, 240V and a constant frequency is used to light up 35 bulbs in parallel, each one has (240 V, 60 W) printed on it. Calculate the resistance of each light bulb.

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Attempt 1[/B]
Pw = V²/R ----> R = V²/Pw ------> R = 240²/60 = 960Ω

Attempt 2

i (passing thrrough the circuit) = 5*10³ /240 = 20.83 A
i (passing through each light bulb) = 20.83/35 = 0.6 A

Pw (in each bulb) = i²R -----> R = Pw/i² ----> R = 60/ 0.6² = 166.667Ω

Why do I get different results?
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
i (passing thrrough the circuit) = 5*10³ /240 = 20.83 A
i (passing through each light bulb) = 20.83/35 = 0.6 A

Pw (in each bulb) = i²R -----> R = Pw/i² ----> R = 240/ 0.6² = 666.666Ω

Why do I get different results?
Because your second method doesn't make any sense. You are treating the MAXIMUM POSSIBLE power output as though it were all being used.
 
The 5 kW only appears on the name plate of the generator: I can deliver 21 A. In the case of 35 bulbs x 60 W it only has to deliver just over 2 kW.
 
Just because it is a generator capable of putting out 5kWatts does not mean that is the actual total power it puts out. 35 bulbs x60 watts/bulb=2100 watts. (I see 2 others, @phinds and @BvU gave essentially the same answer, just ahead of me.)
 
The 5kW rating of a generator is the maximum rating. It will only provide 5kW if the resistance you use is low enough.
The same thing is usually true of current ratings of power supplies. The voltage is constant, as long as no more than the maximum power or current is drawn.
If you would use 140 lamps, for instance, they would have a resistance of 240Ω, and the generator would have to produce more than 5kw and one or more of the following would likely happen:
- The output voltage of the generator would become lower than 240 V.
- a fuse will blow
- The generator would get damaged
- Whatever the power source of the generator is would get damaged
 
Ok, guys, I will correct this. Here we are:
i = 2100/240 = 8.75 A
i (in each bulb) = 8.75/ 35 = 0.25 A
Pw = i²/R -----> R = Pw/i² = 60/0.25² = 960 Ω

Ok, I got the same result, thank you!
 
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Asmaa Mohammad said:
Ok, guys, I will correct this. Here we are:
i = 2100/240 = 8.75 A
i (in each bulb) = 8.75/ 35 = 0.25 A
Pw = i²/R -----> R = Pw/i² = 60/0.25² = 960 Ω

Ok, I got the same result, thank you!
Sometimes a question setter will provide unnecessary information. Part of the challenge is to figure out which information is relevant. (I like that because that is what happens in the real world.)
Can you see how you could have gone straight to the answer without knowing anything about the generator?
 
haruspex said:
Can you see how you could have gone straight to the answer without knowing anything about the generator?
That's what I did in Attempt 1 in #1, I used the information printed on the bulb itself (the power and the voltage).
 
Asmaa Mohammad said:
That's what I did in Attempt 1 in #1, I used the information printed on the bulb itself (the power and the voltage).
Ok, sorry for the noise.
 
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haruspex said:
Ok, sorry for the noise.
No, no, you made me aware that it is sometimes will give me unnecessary information. I should know what to use and what to not.
Thanks!
 

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